Is it alright to commit suicide?

[Jimbob]

Do you think it's ok or wrong for people to commit suicide? Why? Is it ok in some circumstances but not others? When is it ok or not ok? Why is it ok or not ok? Who's allowed to do it and who's not? ...And so on...

I'm not 100% sure, But in some circumstances, Yes!

If life becomes unbearable and the pain that you suffer becomes more than anyone can possibly bear, then maybe death will bring the only peace and end the suffering, that your experiencing.

So in the case of Terminally ill patients, yes!

But some other cultures seem to think its ok for other reasons too.

Such as suicide bombers and people who simply dont try and make things better for themelves, never!

Your opinion?

[Rashella]

I think suicide generally is a wussy way out.
In the case of terminally ill, in serious pain, then its merciful to die. So i dont mind.

But those people who think their life is so unbearable for reasons like some guy/girl doesnt fancy them, i think its pathetic. There are so many people robbed of their life every day. That these suicidal people cant appreciate how important life is, when people would give anything to stay alive is sad.

People go through bad phases all the time, ive been going through mine for the last year with serious health problems, and i havent considered suicide once. Im not calling myself a hero, i just think my problems are as bad as anyone elses. And if i can stick it out, why cant they.

[Bebot]

I think its wrong,and i know how it feels when someone does it.It hurts for the people around him/her.
People who commit suicide are selfish chickens running away from reality.

[Pearson]

If you've got absolutely no close friends or family then yeah, I suppose, or if you're paralysed and shit. Heard bout someone who commited sucide because she had a kid and realised she couldnt afford it, struggled for money and stuff....commited sucide. That for me, is shocking.

[Bebot]

That,for me,is completely stupid!

[clueless]

In principle, i believe that suicide is wrong. But i wouldn't be too quick to pass judgement on any individual who honestly believe that suicide is their only option.

[xMissIzzyx]

In principle, i believe that suicide is wrong. But i wouldn't be too quick to pass judgement on any individual who honestly believe that suicide is their only option.
I agree. I wouldn't judge someone for their personal choices.

In some cases it's just attention, eg sick of being ignored and wanted to make sure people noticed them, even if it meant killing themselves over it. It's been known to be done. A friend of mine tried it a while ago.

However, sometimes I think it can just be the right thing for the individual to do. If they're in so much pain [terminally ill, etc] then fair enough. It's understandable. If a person finds their life so unbearable, then why not exercise the right to end it, it's their right at the end of the day really isn't it.
I don't think anyone can really say if it's "right" or "wrong" to kill oneself, but I think it's up the person in question. TBH it would take a lot of guts to do it anyway, obviously someone who genuinely feels it's their only way out must have a pretty fucked up life. It's sad but unfortunately a lot of people feel it's all they have left. It can be seen as selfish and cruel to people around you who love you etc so I understand why people would criticise those considering doing it or those who have.. but as I said it's a personal choice and there's nothing really we can do about it.

[Leon]

That,for me,is completely stupid!

Agreed! It all seems stupid to me

[Innamorata]

I don't think there's anything wrong with suicide. If the person is that desperate enough, and they have no reason to live, then it can be the only way out. I have talked some people out of suicide though, because they were my friends and it really wasn't that bad.

[jammie]

I do not believe that suicide is the way out for anything. It's not part of my morals. I think there is always some sort of way that you can find help, and seek others if that be the case. People in my opinion need to wake up and see that there are somethings that make a life worth living for. Yes, you may not have it at that exact moment in time, but if you wait lond enough it will come to you. Some people pray, some people drink, others depend on friends and family. It all happens to be who you are. Killing yourself isn't worth anything.

[OMFGIDC]

I don't think there's anything wrong with suicide, myself.
Granted, I'd rather people looked for a better option, but sometimes, there isn't one.
I can understand that life is hard, and for some people, it's just too much to deal with.


People who claim people who commit suicide are "selfish" annoy the hell out of me.
Is it not "selfish" of someone, to pressure someone into carrying on a life they feel is un-bearable.
Is it not selfish to make that person continue suffering, because you don't want to?

[xMissIzzyx]

People who claim people who commit suicide are "selfish" annoy the hell out of me.
Is it not "selfish" of someone, to pressure someone into carrying on a life they feel is un-bearable.
Is it not selfish to make that person continue suffering, because you don't want to?
yes, that is selfish, and I agree that taking ones life isn't selfish.. but I hope you don't think I was agreeing that it is selfish to kill yourself cos I wasn't
I was jus saying that it can be constrewed as being so, because you're causing the people around you however much pain

[OMFGIDC]

yes, that is selfish, and I agree that taking ones life isn't selfish.. but I hope you don't think I was agreeing that it is selfish to kill yourself cos I wasn't
I was jus saying that it can be constrewed as being so, because you're causing the people around you however much pain
Nah, I got you. :)

[xMissIzzyx]

cool

[Sweetest.x.Sin]

What the fuck?
Suicide is never okay in any circumstances you moron! No matter how hard you have it!
Yeah maybe your life is shitty but that's no excuse to kill yourself.
Like me, my entire Family is a bunch of stupid fuckholes and I wouldn't call them my Family, but you know what? Things get better because I have an awesome group of friends who I can pick up and go live with with some cash, any way I can, I will get the fuck out. I'm going to publish a novel, and get out.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with getting some help. Suicide is the stupid way out.

[xMissIzzyx]

What the fuck?
Suicide is never okay in any circumstances you moron! No matter how hard you have it!
Yeah maybe your life is shitty but that's no excuse to kill yourself.
Like me, my entire Family is a bunch of stupid fuckholes and I wouldn't call them my Family, but you know what? Things get better because I have an awesome group of friends who I can pick up and go live with with some cash, any way I can, I will get the fuck out. I'm going to publish a novel, and get out.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with getting some help. Suicide is the stupid way out.


good on you for having goals in life and coping with the shit you get
but sometimes people aren't as strong and levelheaded as you
calm down a bit yeah, it's great you have that attitude but help isn't necessarily helpful to everyone.

[Ragnarok]

For me, it's not okay to commit suicide. Why? Simply because of this: People think that dying is the best way out. That's just so stupid. Even if you have lots of problems in life, you shouldn't think of killing yourself. I mean, for example: Your car got broken; you've got an F; your father went home drunk again and starts hurting your mother; your brother's out late staying in that stupid bar; your girlfriend just broke up with you and starts to "show-off" and so on and so forth...until you realize you can't take in any longer. You want to kill yourself. You're reaching for that knife... raising it upon your chest and -- WAIT! Think it over, please! There's always a solution to a problem, and suicide isn't one of those choices!

I mean that broken car of yours, you can fix it! You've got an F? Study harder and don't take the grading personally! Your father comes home drunk and starts to hurt Mom? Find the best time to speak to BOTH of them and sort things out. Your brother's gone to that bar again and starts to neglect his studies? Be there for him and talk to him. Your girlfriend doesn't seem to notice that she's hurting you by doing what she did? Tell her what you're feeling about what she's doing. See? Suicide isn't nessecary to get out of a bad situation.

About the terminally ill patients being killed to end their sufferings (Euthanasia)? That's bad. A person has every right to live, so the doctor must do his/her best to keep the patient alive. If it's someone you know, do your part in helping him/her get well.

[Nintendus]

What the fuck?
Suicide is never okay in any circumstances you moron! No matter how hard you have it!
Yeah maybe your life is shitty but that's no excuse to kill yourself.
Like me, my entire Family is a bunch of stupid fuckholes and I wouldn't call them my Family, but you know what? Things get better because I have an awesome group of friends who I can pick up and go live with with some cash, any way I can, I will get the fuck out. I'm going to publish a novel, and get out.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with getting some help. Suicide is the stupid way out.
Oh, you have a family who doesn't get you? Poor you.

As if you have any idea what real troubles are like. I agree with you on the sense that no one should take their life, but I cannot stand people who believe they can just come in here and call someone a "moron", for no reason save you don't like their views in a debate forum.

[Innamorata]

Oh, you have a family who doesn't get you? Poor you.

As if you have any idea what real troubles are like. I agree with you on the sense that no one should take their life, but I cannot stand people who believe they can just come in here and call someone a "moron", for no reason save you don't like their views in a debate forum.

Exactly. Plus, not everyone has friends that they can go to for help. Some people are completely alone with their problems, and the government is generally crap at helping.

[OMFGIDC]

What the fuck?
Suicide is never okay in any circumstances you moron! No matter how hard you have it!
Yeah maybe your life is shitty but that's no excuse to kill yourself.
Like me, my entire Family is a bunch of stupid fuckholes and I wouldn't call them my Family, but you know what? Things get better because I have an awesome group of friends who I can pick up and go live with with some cash, any way I can, I will get the fuck out. I'm going to publish a novel, and get out.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with getting some help. Suicide is the stupid way out.
Is this a thead asking for opinions?
Or is everyone who disagree's with you a 'moron'?

You aren't the only one with an opinion, and feelings on the issue.
That's how YOU cope.
Not everyone acts or thinks in the same way as you do.
We are all different and all have our own ways of dealing with things.
Some people don't have ANYONE they can turn to.

[OMFGIDC]

And people who are offering solutions;
I can understand that suicide isn't the only way out, but it's not as easy as people think to just 'fix' problems.
Problems just don't do away at the click of a switch.

[NewAbortion]

I'm all for suicide. If someone wants to kill themselves, then go right ahead. As far as I'm concerned, if they see no way out of their current situation, then that's their own damn fault. The only exception is for people who have kids. That I'm very strongly against.

As for the "suicide is selfish" argument: Both sides of the debate are equally selfish. End of story.

~Maggot

[Nintendus]

I'm all for suicide. If someone wants to kill themselves, then go right ahead. As far as I'm concerned, if they see no way out of their current situation, then that's their own damn fault. The only exception is for people who have kids. That I'm very strongly against.

As for the "suicide is selfish" argument: Both sides of the debate are equally selfish. End of story.

~Maggot
If their situation really is bad and the suicide has been thought out instead of being spur of the moment, and they are not going to have a strong negative effective on the immediate community they leave behind; then I view it is fine.

[NewAbortion]

If their situation really is bad and the suicide has been thought out instead of being spur of the moment, and they are not going to have a strong negative effective on the immediate community they leave behind; then I view it is fine.That's 'cause you're nicer than I. My view on suicide in a nutshell: Whatever.

But wouldn't pretty much any suicide (particularly of a teenager) leave a strong negative effect on the immediate community? I know it did when David shot himself in our school.

~Maggot

[Nintendus]

That's 'cause you're nicer than I. My view on suicide in a nutshell: Whatever.

But wouldn't pretty much any suicide (particularly of a teenager) leave a strong negative effect on the immediate community? I know it did when David shot himself in our school.

~Maggot
I said a strong effect, the judge is what you consider to be "strong" affect. Someone killing themselves at a school is doubtless going to upset a lot of people, but whether it is strong or not is debatable, as he does not have to look after anyone such as his children.

[OMFGIDC]

I'm all for suicide. If someone wants to kill themselves, then go right ahead. As far as I'm concerned, if they see no way out of their current situation, then that's their own damn fault. The only exception is for people who have kids. That I'm very strongly against.

As for the "suicide is selfish" argument: Both sides of the debate are equally selfish. End of story.

~Maggot
How is it 'their own damn fault'?

[NewAbortion]

How is it 'their own damn fault'?O.o

If they can't think of a way out (eg an abusive relationship), and think suicide is the only way to solve their problem instead of being logical about it, that's their own damn fault. I don't know how to make that any clearer.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

O.o

If they can't think of a way out (eg an abusive relationship), and think suicide is the only way to solve their problem instead of being logical about it, that's their own damn fault. I don't know how to make that any clearer.

~Maggot
Obviously, for someone to even contemplate killing themselves, their mind isn't in a healthy state.
That's like saying people who have eating disorders are to blame for the disorders.
Obviously someone who is thinking of killing themselves, isn't thinking straight, or logically at all.
That isn't to say they are to blame for it.

[NewAbortion]

Obviously, for someone to even contemplate killing themselves, their mind isn't in a healthy state.
That's like saying people who have eating disorders are to blame for the disorders.
Obviously someone who is thinking of killing themselves, isn't thinking straight, or logically at all.
That isn't to say they are to blame for it.A suicidal person's mind, while slightly unstable, is still perfectly capable of thinking rationally.

But people who have eating disorders ARE to blame for it.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

A suicidal person's mind, while slightly unstable, is still perfectly capable of thinking rationally.

But people who have eating disorders ARE to blame for it.

~Maggot
Oh, really?
So you KNOW this, how?
I'd totally disagree, on both accounts.

[NewAbortion]

Oh, really?
So you KNOW this, how?
I'd totally disagree, on both accounts.I know both because of logic. On the suicidal part, think about it: How many people have been suicidal, but not killed themselves? Many. So, obviously, they were thinking rationally and realized there were other options.

On the eating disorder part:

-A person starts making themselves vomit
-They start to do this frequently enough that it becomes an eating disorder
-They made themselves bulimic. It's their fault. Ta-dah.

The same way it's a person's fault if they're a cutter, or if they're a druggie, or an alcoholic. Something they did made them become that.

~Maggot

[Pearson]

A lot of people need to calm down with trivial issues....annoys me when teenagers commit sucide because there girlfirend left them, Oh grow up, everybody gets dumped, yeah it hurts but what good will killing your self do, if you loved her would you make her suffer that much with guilt that she carries your death on her shoulders. Parents spliting up, look at the amount of people that's parents are divorced, if they can deal with it why cant you, failing in school....dont even get me started, not end of the world is it! If your going through all three things that isnt good enough. People need to realise that in pretty much any situation you can find happiness, and with a bit of work you can sort situations out. Its a lazy, cowardly way out. Its passing your problems on to others. Its only going to make more people suffer. Everyone has problems, some people have more than others. Sucide is the easy way out...however in certain situations I have more sympothy. I just cant stand it when people commit sucide for trivial reasons that really, can be resolved with a tiny bit of effort. Teenagers commiting sucide annoys me.

[OMFGIDC]

I know both because of logic. On the suicidal part, think about it: How many people have been suicidal, but not killed themselves? Many. So, obviously, they were thinking rationally and realized there were other options.

On the eating disorder part:

-A person starts making themselves vomit
-They start to do this frequently enough that it becomes an eating disorder
-They made themselves bulimic. It's their fault. Ta-dah.

The same way it's a person's fault if they're a cutter, or if they're a druggie, or an alcoholic. Something they did made them become that.

~Maggot
Not at all.
That's just ignorant.

Yes, many have, but obviously there are others who don't. Who CAN'T pull themselves out of it, or believe they can't.
In my opinion, if you kill yourself, you're obviously not thinking straight.
I can't see how anyone who was thinking straight would do such a thing.
As I said earlier though, I don't think anyone who is unable to think logically is to blame for that.

Also, there are REASONS people try to lose weight.
They don't just decide to do it, they do it for reasons.
I still believe people who have eating disorders aren't thinking straight, else they wouldn't force themselves to be sick/not eat.

And no, It's not always the alcoholic/druggie/cutter's fault.
It's not only OUR actions and words that have effects on how we feel and think, so do other peoples'.
It's ignorant to say anyone in a bad situation is to blame.

[OMFGIDC]

A lot of people need to calm down with trivial issues....annoys me when teenagers commit sucide because there girlfirend left them, Oh grow up, everybody gets dumped, yeah it hurts but what good will killing your self do, if you loved her would you make her suffer that much with guilt that she carries your death on her shoulders. Parents spliting up, look at the amount of people that's parents are divorced, if they can deal with it why cant you, failing in school....dont even get me started, not end of the world is it! If your going through all three things that isnt good enough. People need to realise that in pretty much any situation you can find happiness, and with a bit of work you can sort situations out. Its a lazy, cowardly way out. Its passing your problems on to others. Its only going to make more people suffer. Everyone has problems, some people have more than others. Sucide is the easy way out...however in certain situations I have more sympothy. I just cant stand it when people commit sucide for trivial reasons that really, can be resolved with a tiny bit of effort. Teenagers commiting sucide annoys me.
Someone who's in their teenage years who commits suicide automatically annoys you, even if you don't know their full reasoning behind doing so?

[NewAbortion]

Not at all.
That's just ignorant.XD

Painfully ironic.

Yes, many have, but obviously there are others who don't. Who CAN'T pull themselves out of it, or believe they can't.
In my opinion, if you kill yourself, you're obviously not thinking straight.
I can't see how anyone who was thinking straight would do such a thing.
As I said earlier though, I don't think anyone who is unable to think logically is to blame for that.And if they believe they can't, that's due to their own lack of logic, thus, it's their own damn fault.

Also, there are REASONS people try to lose weight.
They don't just decide to do it, they do it for reasons.
I still believe people who have eating disorders aren't thinking straight, else they wouldn't force themselves to be sick/not eat.Generally, having an eating disorder has nothing to do with losing weight; it's about control.

Okay, they have a reason. What's your point? That doesn't mean that they don't choose to do it. You may have a reason to drive to the store, but you still chose to do it, didn't you?

And no, It's not always the alcoholic/druggie/cutter's fault.
It's not only OUR actions and words that have effects on how we feel and think, so do other peoples'.
It's ignorant to say anyone in a bad situation is to blame.How is it not a cutter's fault that they cut? How is it not a druggy's fault that they took drugs to the point of being addicted? How is it not an alcoholic's fault that they drank until they became addicted? No one forced them to do any of that. They made that choice.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

XD

Painfully ironic.
And if they believe they can't, that's due to their own lack of logic, thus, it's their own damn fault.
Generally, having an eating disorder has nothing to do with losing weight; it's about control.

Okay, they have a reason. What's your point? That doesn't mean that they don't choose to do it. You may have a reason to drive to the store, but you still chose to do it, didn't you?
How is it not a cutter's fault that they cut? How is it not a druggy's fault that they took drugs to the point of being addicted? How is it not an alcoholic's fault that they drank until they became addicted? No one forced them to do any of that. They made that choice.

~Maggot
How is that painfully ironic?
It's not the say they can't think logically, but people go through staged where their heads get screwed up and they can't think logically for a period of time because of the state their in.
It's not soley their fault, as I said, other people have effects on us too.

Yes, it is about control, but it's also about weight loss.
People want to look perfect, and some are willing to do whatever it takes.
It may start about losing weight, but soon it gets to the stage where a person is no longer to think staight, and becomes mentally ill.
How is someone's mental instability their fault?
I really don't understand that.

Yes, okay, people do make those choices, but there are reasons behind it.
Making the wrong choice doesn't mean you are to blame for it.

[NewAbortion]

How is that painfully ironic?Nothing. >.>;

It's not the say they can't think logically, but people go through staged where their heads get screwed up and they can't think logically for a period of time because of the state their in.
It's not soley their fault, as I said, other people have effects on us too.Yes, they do, but it's not mature or rational to blame one's actions on someone else.

Yes, it is about control, but it's also about weight loss.Uh...no. Generally, it's not about weight loss at all.

People want to look perfect, and some are willing to do whatever it takes.
It may start about losing weight, but soon it gets to the stage where a person is no longer to think staight, and becomes mentally ill.
How is someone's mental instability their fault?
I really don't understand that.Eating disorders are choices. They're not like schizophrenia, where one's mental state is uncontrollable, thus, not their fault.

However, people with eating disorders are completely aware of what they're doing and are making the conscious decision to continue, thus, it's entirely their fault. There's no mental instability in eating disorders.

Yes, okay, people do make those choices, but there are reasons behind it.
Making the wrong choice doesn't mean you are to blame for it.Yes it does. Every choice we make it our own fault; no one else's. How can your choice to drive to the movies not be your fault?

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

I don't know what those faces mean.
I'd rather you tell me why you think I'm ignorant.
I'm not trying to argue with you.


It's also very mature to say that everyone who kills themselves is to blame for their problems.
Other people change to way we feel and think, so of course they are partly to blame.

Right. And that's why generally when people 'get help' they usually see a cousellor, or someone who helps deal with problems.
Because the reasons are usually from deeper issues; it's not something you can just turn on or off.


It depends on the reasoning, not just whether or not you did it.
But why, also.
And usually other people are involved in your reasoning of why.
Therefore, they are to blame too.

[NewAbortion]

I don't know what those faces mean.
I'd rather you tell me why you think I'm ignorant.
I'm not trying to argue with you.I never said you were ignorant. It's just odd that you accuse me of being ignorant.

It's also very mature to say that everyone who kills themselves is to blame for their problems.I never said that either.
Other people change to way we feel and think, so of course they are partly to blame.True, but there is always a solution to a problem.
Right. And that's why generally when people 'get help' they usually see a cousellor, or someone who helps deal with problems.
Because the reasons are usually from deeper issues; it's not something you can just turn on or off.The issues can't be turned on or off, but the eating disorder itself can be quite easily.
It depends on the reasoning, not just whether or not you did it.
But why, also.
And usually other people are involved in your reasoning of why.
Therefore, they are to blame too.I will agree that the reasoning behind a choice can be partially blamed on someone else, but the choice itself cannot. I may want to shoot up my school because of other people. However, I don't. I made the choice not to; no one else. While the reasoning for the desire was because of others, the choice was entirely my own.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

I never said you were ignorant. It's just odd that you accuse me of being ignorant.
I never said that either.True, but there is always a solution to a problem.The issues can't be turned on or off, but the eating disorder itself can be quite easily.I will agree that the reasoning behind a choice can be partially blamed on someone else, but the choice itself cannot. I may want to shoot up my school because of other people. However, I don't. I made the choice not to; no one else. While the reasoning for the desire was because of others, the choice was entirely my own.

~Maggot
How is it odd?
I disagree, I don't think eating disorders can be overcome that easily.
And yes, it is your decision, but I still feel that people don't always think straight, and therefore others are to blame too.

[NewAbortion]

How is it odd?You accuse me of being ignorant when it comes to eating disorders and suicide, yes? This is odd because I've been suicidal and anorexic; I'm not at all ignorant.
I disagree, I don't think eating disorders can be overcome that easily.Oh, but they can. Trust me.
And yes, it is your decision, but I still feel that people don't always think straight, and therefore others are to blame too.Others are to blame for another's inability to think straight? Uh, no. My mom made me fucking miserable, so much so that I become a cutter and anorexic. However, I still recognize the fact that both were my decision; not hers at all. While she was the one responsible for making me so miserable, I made the choice to cut and the choice to not eat.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

I never specified that it was eating disorders/suicide you were ignorant to, I meant I thought you were ignorant to people's reasons for their wanting to end their life.

I don't 'trust' anyone on the internet.

And yes, okay, but that's YOUR way of thinking, not everyong will think in the same way as you or share your opinion.

[NewAbortion]

I never specified that it was eating disorders/suicide you were ignorant to, I meant I thought you were ignorant to people's reasons for their wanting to end their life.As are you. Though, I'm not entirely ignorant about that either. Granted, I don't know every person's situation, but I'm familiar with several. And I can't think of a single one (excluding mental illness) that is unsolvable in some other manner.

I don't 'trust' anyone on the internet.Then trust logic. Tell me, what makes an eating disorder so difficult to overcome? Not the thinking that leads to it, the eating disorder itself.

And yes, okay, but that's YOUR way of thinking, not everyong will think in the same way as you or share your opinion.I know it is, but it should be everyone's. That's the problem with society today: We don't take responsibility for our own goddamn actions. Are you really telling me that it's better to blame one's decisions on others than say, "Oh, well, that was stupid of me. I sure as hell won't do that again."

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

As are you. Though, I'm not entirely ignorant about that either. Granted, I don't know every person's situation, but I'm familiar with several. And I can't think of a single one (excluding mental illness) that is unsolvable in some other manner.
Then trust logic. Tell me, what makes an eating disorder so difficult to overcome? Not the thinking that leads to it, the eating disorder itself.
I know it is, but it should be everyone's. That's the problem with society today: We don't take responsibility for our own goddamn actions. Are you really telling me that it's better to blame one's decisions on others than say, "Oh, well, that was stupid of me. I sure as hell won't do that again."

~Maggot
How am I being ignorant to peoples' reasons for wanting to kill themselves?

Exactly, you don't know everyone's situation, so to say that no-one has reason to, is ignorant.

Yes, it IS the thought behind it. Because if that thought continues with you, there's nothing to stop you going down the same path again.

I never said that it was better, I'm saying that's the reason people do things, and the reasons they become unclear of the right way to think.
I'm not saying it's better, not at all.

[kristina_39]

I dont know why ya'll would want to committ suicide..let alone think that it is ok. First of all its a sin... Tho shall not kill" part of the ten commandments.. if you believe in god that is. Second of all.... look at jammies post.... theres always going to be something down the road that makes life worth living for... shes right you may not have it now... but hell... be patient ... those things take time....you cant have your cake and eat it to.. so people may say... another idea. talk to someone who will be able to help you.. committing suicide is a mental factor.. mostly because someone thinks they are not good enough (when they are), or they are in a deep depressionn (they make medicine for that), or something tragic has happened and they dont know how to deal with it (also a mental factor) so they kill them selfs..dont ya"ll think there is something wrong with that picture? Hello, wake up hun!

[Deimos]

The commandment is actually 'You shall not murder'
Murder /=/ Suicide.

so.. yeah >.>

[Pearson]

Someone who's in their teenage years who commits suicide automatically annoys you, even if you don't know their full reasoning behind doing so?

Most teenagers commit sucide for trivial reasons...like I said people that commit suicide for trivial reasons annoy me.

[OMFGIDC]

Most teenagers commit sucide for trivial reasons...like I said people that commit suicide for trivial reasons annoy me.
IMO, it's wrong to just generalise.
Maybe some do, that's not to say all or even most do.
And I remember you saying that teenagers committing suicide annoys you, I can't find the post to quoute.

[Pearson]

IMO, it's wrong to just generalise.
Maybe some do, that's not to say all or even most do.
And I remember you saying that teenagers committing suicide annoys you, I can't find the post to quoute.

O god....look do you want to debate about sucide or just quote every single one of my posts and try to argue with them, regardless of what I say. I think most teenagers can resolve there problems with a bit of effort. Sucide is the easy way out. How are yopu argueing that sucide is ok, I believe that even when your down in the dumps and you feel you have the weight of the world in your shoulders you can find happiness. Especially people from places like Britain and America...who have opportunities, regardless of what happens to them, should realise that they can turn there life round dispite what happens...commiting sucide will achive what?

[NewAbortion]

How am I being ignorant to peoples' reasons for wanting to kill themselves?"You don't know everyone's situation."
I never said that. O.o[quote=OMFGIDC]Yes, it IS the thought behind it. Because if that thought continues with you, there's nothing to stop you going down the same path again.It's called self-control, dear. I've considered cutting again. I've considered becoming anorexic again. I've considered killing myself. But I have logic and self-control, thus, I did none of the above.

But, again, I ask: What makes an eating disorder so difficult to overcome?
I never said that it was better, I'm saying that's the reason people do things, and the reasons they become unclear of the right way to think.
I'm not saying it's better, not at all.But you're accepting it as right. You evern said that others are partially to blame for one's inability to think clearly.

~Maggot

[OMFGIDC]

O god....look do you want to debate about sucide or just quote every single one of my posts and try to argue with them, regardless of what I say. I think most teenagers can resolve there problems with a bit of effort. Sucide is the easy way out. How are yopu argueing that sucide is ok, I believe that even when your down in the dumps and you feel you have the weight of the world in your shoulders you can find happiness. Especially people from places like Britain and America...who have opportunities, regardless of what happens to them, should realise that they can turn there life round dispite what happens...commiting sucide will achive what?
This IS me having a debate.
I'm not trying to argue with ANYONE.
And I'm not quoting every single one of your posts, I doubt I've even read every single one of your posts.

No, comitting suicide will end it all, because some people believe they CAN'T turn their life around.

[OMFGIDC]

"You don't know everyone's situation."I never said that. O.oIt's called self-control, dear. I've considered cutting again. I've considered becoming anorexic again. I've considered killing myself. But I have logic and self-control, thus, I did none of the above.

But, again, I ask: What makes an eating disorder so difficult to overcome?But you're accepting it as right. You evern said that others are partially to blame for one's inability to think clearly.

~Maggot
Do you think anyone has reason to commit suicide?
You said no.

Yes, because you have self control, and think logically, obviously. But you are not everyone.

Yes, and I still believe that.
I don't think it's soley our actions or words that make us think in certain ways.
I'm not saying it's better to blame other people, but I do blame others.

[Pearson]

This IS me having a debate.
I'm not trying to argue with ANYONE.
And I'm not quoting every single one of your posts, I doubt I've even read every single one of your posts.

No, comitting suicide will end it all, because some people believe they CAN'T turn their life around.

I've done 3 post's you've quoted them all and disagreed with them, you having a debate is just argueing with everyone and everything. Only way you cant turn your life around is if your in prison for life, which then yes ok sucide is an option, other than that of course you can, and whats turning your life around, lifes just a series of moments, make the most out of every moment regardless of what happened in the past - move on....

[OMFGIDC]

I've done 3 post's you've quoted them all and disagreed with them, you having a debate is just argueing with everyone and everything. Only way you cant turn your life around is if your in prison for life, which then yes ok sucide is an option, other than that of course you can, and whats turning your life around, lifes just a series of moments, make the most out of every moment regardless of what happened in the past - move on....
So just because I'm disagreeing with you means I'm arguing?
Tell me what a debate is, please.
Is it everyone just agreeing with each other?

[Menace]

I think its very poetic

[Pearson]

So just because I'm disagreeing with you means I'm arguing?
Tell me what a debate is, please.
Is it everyone just agreeing with each other?

Oh dear god, your proving my point more and more yet there is no way to stop you....

[OMFGIDC]

Oh dear god, your proving my point more and more yet there is no way to stop you....
LOL, how?
I am quoting you, yes.
And asking questions, yes.
Doesn't mean I'm arguing with you.
It's simply called "trying to have a conversation".

[Pearson]

LOL, how?
I am quoting you, yes.
And asking questions, yes.
Doesn't mean I'm arguing with you.
It's simply called "trying to have a conversation".

Please god, please dont quote me, or somehow disagree with me.....please dont, I honestly cant be arsed to be proved right again.

[Blackspynx]

One thing I've come to realize is that suicide, in the end, is one of the most selfish things you can do to yourself. The idea is that you spare yourself the pain — or the monotony — of going on living. In doing so, though, you make life hell on earth for everyone you knew. And you can scar them for life, easily. They'll sit around wondering where it went wrong, what they could have done, if they could have done anything, etc. etc. Really, if you need an escape, or a change, there are much better, more constructive ways of going about it than taking the leap into the dark recesses of death.

[NewAbortion]

One thing I've come to realize is that suicide, in the end, is one of the most selfish things you can do to yourself. The idea is that you spare yourself the pain — or the monotony — of going on living. In doing so, though, you make life hell on earth for everyone you knew. And you can scar them for life, easily. They'll sit around wondering where it went wrong, what they could have done, if they could have done anything, etc. etc. Really, if you need an escape, or a change, there are much better, more constructive ways of going about it than taking the leap into the dark recesses of death.True, but your argument is equally selfish. Asking someone to go on living as miserable as they are just because you'll miss them is selfish, don't you think?

~Maggot

[Blackspynx]

True, but your argument is equally selfish. Asking someone to go on living as miserable as they are just because you'll miss them is selfish, don't you think?

~Maggot
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

[OMFGIDC]

Please god, please dont quote me, or somehow disagree with me.....please dont, I honestly cant be arsed to be proved right again.
You've not been proved right once.
The fact you can't answer a single question of mine shows I'M right.
What the hell is the point in coming on here if you're not going to converse with someone?
I'm not allowed to quote people and ask them things now?
Not allowed to disagree with someone?
For Christ's sake grow up.

[OMFGIDC]

One thing I've come to realize is that suicide, in the end, is one of the most selfish things you can do to yourself. The idea is that you spare yourself the pain — or the monotony — of going on living. In doing so, though, you make life hell on earth for everyone you knew. And you can scar them for life, easily. They'll sit around wondering where it went wrong, what they could have done, if they could have done anything, etc. etc. Really, if you need an escape, or a change, there are much better, more constructive ways of going about it than taking the leap into the dark recesses of death.
Yeah, but don't you think it's selfish of someone to keep someone suffering because their life will be hell?

[Blackspynx]

Yeah, but don't you think it's selfish of someone to keep someone suffering because their life will be hell?
You entirely missed my point. Someone who cared for you wouldn't just stand by and watch you deteriorate in your despair. They would help, but often those closest to someone have no idea what is going on. If all anybody sees is your facade of a perfect life, and a week later, they find you hanging in your closet, what are they going to think? That it was horrible of you to leave them? No, they will, as I've already stated, "sit around wondering where it went wrong, what they could have done, if they could have done anything, etc. etc."

Why burden your family and friends with such thoughts for the rest of their lives? Instead of easily receiving their help and correcting the calamity you were experiencing, you chose the easy way out. You gave up; All you thought of was yourself, and you ignored any chances of hope or improvement. That is selfish.

[OMFGIDC]

You entirely missed my point. Someone who cared for you wouldn't just stand by and watch you deteriorate in your despair. They would help, but often those closest to someone have no idea what is going on. If all anybody sees is your facade of a perfect life, and a week later, they find you hanging in your closet, what are they going to think? That it was horrible of you to leave them? No, they will, as I've already stated, "sit around wondering where it went wrong, what they could have done, if they could have done anything, etc. etc."

Why burden your family and friends with such thoughts for the rest of their lives? Instead of easily receiving their help and correcting the calamity you were experiencing, you chose the easy way out. You gave up; All you thought of was yourself, and you ignored any chances of hope or improvement. That is selfish.
I disagree.
Someone who's thought of killing themselves, obviously isn't thinking clearly.

Some people feel they can't talk to their families, that their families can't help, or wouldn't care.
Others feel that they don't want give their families more problems to deal with, sometimes it's just easier to let people think everything is okay.
Is that selfish? To keep all your problems bottled up, for fear of making your family un-happy if you told them everything you felt?

[Will]

Should be encouraged in alot of cases...

[Blackspynx]

Is that selfish? To keep all your problems bottled up, for fear of making your family un-happy if you told them everything you felt?
That makes no logical sense.

[Deimos]

All your arguments operate on the Premise that Death is worse than life, just see it as an improvement.

[OMFGIDC]

That makes no logical sense.
Not at all.

[Pearson]

You've not been proved right once.
The fact you can't answer a single question of mine shows I'M right.
What the hell is the point in coming on here if you're not going to converse with someone?
I'm not allowed to quote people and ask them things now?
Not allowed to disagree with someone?
For Christ's sake grow up.

She's done it, this really,really is unreal

[OMFGIDC]

She's done it, this really,really is unreal
If you aren't willing to converse/be mature, why don't you just leave?