Bibliographies suck

[eversosweet]

but guess what makes them a heck of a lot better?!

www.easybib.com (http://www.easybib.com)

i'm officially in love :D

[sarahgirl_88]

i dont get it.. please explain

[Nintendus]

Never had to write one before, but I assumed you simply wrote the source and what you used it for. What do you need a website to do that for?

[Bob!]

Theres no set standard for refrencin yet as long as its good but the Harvard (http://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm) ones the most accepted.

An example of one of my Bibliography/Refrences pages from me Programmin Concepts unit:

Paper Based Sources


· Christopher, D. (2003) Information Computing Projects in Visual Basic.NET. Payne-Gallway Publishers Limited, Ipswich.


· Deitel, H. M. and Deitel, P.J. and Nieto T.R. (2002) Visual Basic.NET, How to Program. 2nd ed.Prentice Hall, New Jersey.


· Willis, T. and Crossland, J. and Blair, R. (2004) Beginning VB.NET 2003. Wiley Publishing, Indiana.



Electronic Sources


· Mackenzie, D. and Sharkey, K. (2002) Writing Code with Visual Basic.NET. [Online] Available from: http://www.samspublishing.com/

· Microsoft Development Library. (2007) VB Script Syntax Errors. [Online] Available from: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/default.aspx

[eversosweet]

no there's actually a format for bibliographies.
you have to have the site name and author and date accessed and date edited and site association and all this other stuff and it has to be formatted a certain way.
for this site it gives you prompts for the information you need and then it formats it for you. it's sooo much easier.

[Bob!]

Yeah as I've shown in me example, thats in the Harvard standard which is the most commonly accepted.

However thats just by preference of the tutor/place, if you wanted to say, put the year before the surname or whatever then as long as ya kept consistent with it then that would actually be ok, as long as the infos there then its just by preference as stated above, because there is no "officially" set format, just the most commonly accepted ones so as long as all the infos there in a presentable format it should be fine, still best to go along with the Harvard one though normally as that site probably does, (tis obv just to make it a lil faster) but if ya tutor wants it different then just do it however theyre wanting.

As above ya can see I aint bothered with all the dates and times and so on as I don't see any point in it, but even then its still in the Harvard system and I've kept it consistent throughout and it displays all the necessary info. Tis obviously right as I got a distinction for that unit, (Grades are Pass/Merit/Distinction) even though I didn't have many sources because of the type of unit it was.

I normally just copy and paste me bib pages and edit the links and so on, keeps the format the same then.

[eversosweet]

well that works too.

[Bob!]

Aye, after a while you'll probably develop ya own style and as long as ya show the necessary info and keep consistent itl be fine, I bet each person in my group has a slightly differently styled bibliography, but they generally follow the Harvard standard as its the most commonly accepted.

So aye as long as ya keep consistent and show the necessary bits as I have up top then tis fine, as said though the lack of an officially set standard could result in different tutors wanting it done theyre own way, (even though it might be fine how ya do it) so to save arguing its best just to do it how they want it as it wont be "wrong" and theyre the ones marking it, otherwise just do it in ya own style and keep consistent. :)

[eversosweet]

we always use MLA format.
alway. crammed down our throat. we even made up a song about MLA format.

[Innamorata]

Haha for mine, I just wrote the name and the url.

[fraggled]

I prefer the AP Format for my writings.

[sarahgirl_88]

i still dont get it..

[sarahgirl_88]

can someone explain this to me. lol

[Bob!]

Bah, one of me tutors made me put the date accessed on today, no real point in it but as I said each tutor has different preferences so I'll put it on for his.

And Sarah its what ya havto do with degree level work as ya need to show you've done your research using a combination of books, websites and journals and so on, as in higher level work ya MEANT to do research and find things out from other places, ya need to quote passages of text and refer to where yav found some of the information in your work.

Theyre also used for showing where you've got whatever you've used so it shows ya not stealing it and making out its ya own which is known as plagurising, one of the deadly sins in degree level work.

First ya have a references page, which looks like the example I gave, listing all things you've used in your work and directly referred to, such as quotations (Copy and pasting passages of text and putting it in quote format) and citations (using the general idea but doing it in your own words) A reference does just that, shows where you've got what you referred to in ya work.

Then ya have a bibliography page which is everything that ya put in ya references one, but also any pieces of work, websites or books that you've looked at but not actually used anything from, this shows that you've done ya research and used a wide range o sources to fuel ya knowledge.

Its just basically good academic practice to show which parts are you're work and which is others, and that you can do good research. Also bibliographies and references havto be in certain formats depending on what ya tutor prefers such as how I've shown mine, which is in alphabetical order with the surnames listed first, then the first name, and then the year and so on.

[sarahgirl_88]

ooooohh ok ok i get it.. thank youu =] ur so nice =]

[fraggled]

Bah, one of me tutors made me put the date accessed on today, no real point in it but as I said each tutor has different preferences so I'll put it on for his.

And Sarah its what ya havto do with degree level work as ya need to show you've done your research using a combination of books, websites and journals and so on, as in higher level work ya MEANT to do research and find things out from other places, ya need to quote passages of text and refer to where yav found some of the information in your work.

Theyre also used for showing where you've got whatever you've used so it shows ya not stealing it and making out its ya own which is known as plagurising, one of the deadly sins in degree level work.

First ya have a references page, which looks like the example I gave, listing all things you've used in your work and directly referred to, such as quotations (Copy and pasting passages of text and putting it in quote format) and citations (using the general idea but doing it in your own words) A reference does just that, shows where you've got what you referred to in ya work.

Then ya have a bibliography page which is everything that ya put in ya references one, but also any pieces of work, websites or books that you've looked at but not actually used anything from, this shows that you've done ya research and used a wide range o sources to fuel ya knowledge.

Its just basically good academic practice to show which parts are you're work and which is others, and that you can do good research. Also bibliographies and references havto be in certain formats depending on what ya tutor prefers such as how I've shown mine, which is in alphabetical order with the surnames listed first, then the first name, and then the year and so on.

What if I don't want people to know where I got my information from, say like Im spy or something for the UN ?!

[Bob!]

Well I doubt theyd be doing casual research, and also ya havto show it when ya doing degree level work or ya don't pass so if ya dont want em to know, ya fail. :P