Cutting.

[Pearson]

Is fashion. You might be upset but you're following a fashion trend and you're not benifiting anything from it, expect for maybe the attention you crave. Stop doing it and grow up. Find another way to get attention.

And half of your life's arent even that bad. There just average. Again, grow up. I ant got no time for cutters.

Sorry needed to get it off my chest.

[Kate]

You have some good points here.
God knows how many people i know have purposely flashed their superficial cuts to get attention.
Its v. silly :)

[Bim]

Well done, you've pointed out the obvious.
5 points.

[Shane]

Agreed.
It's stupid and not going to get anyone anywhere. :)

[Pearson]

Well done, you've pointed out the obvious.
5 points.

So if its obviously stupid why do people do it. Come on Bim, dont be dim, pick up a knife and cut ya sen a nice sandwhich. It'l make you feel a lot better.

[xMissIzzyx]

Some people see it as their only alternative, and don't go round telling people about it. A friend of mine cut himself down his chest on friday. He's 32, and an amazing bloke, and yet his ex had done so much shit to him he didn't know what else to do. I noticed them myself, he didn't liek the fact that I knew but I'd seen them already so that was it.
Don't be so fuckign up yourselves just because you have other ways to sort your problems out.

[Sponge'K'nob]

Cutting is a bit silly though...

[xMissIzzyx]

I'm not saying it's a good alternative, or it's a good idea, but it happens anyway. I don't approve of cutting for a trend, to fit in, attention, whatever, but some people are pretty fucked up and we don't know anythign about that so it's not our place to judge them for it.

[Sponge'K'nob]

I never said I was judging, just that my view is that it is silly.
Tbh I wouldn't have the guts anyway.

[Pearson]

I'm not saying it's a good alternative, or it's a good idea, but it happens anyway. I don't approve of cutting for a trend, to fit in, attention, whatever, but some people are pretty fucked up and we don't know anythign about that so it's not our place to judge them for it.

People cut because other people do. The vast amount of people do it because they've heard of other people that have done it and have gained some sort of satisfaction out of it. If other people wouldnt do the vast, vast majority of people wouldnt. Therefore its a trend. It's a full on ridiculous thing to do.

If it wasnt a fashion then how come's the same sort of people tend to do it?

[fraggled]

Now remember kids, cutting is more stratigic then you give it credit for, Bladey says down the road and across the street.

*I am not responsible for anything or everything you do as a result of my flames*

[Emmax22]

Some people see it as their only alternative, and don't go round telling people about it. A friend of mine cut himself down his chest on friday. He's 32, and an amazing bloke, and yet his ex had done so much shit to him he didn't know what else to do. I noticed them myself, he didn't liek the fact that I knew but I'd seen them already so that was it.
Don't be so fuckign up yourselves just because you have other ways to sort your problems out.

agreed.

[xMissIzzyx]

There's two types of cutters in my opinion. People who do it to "fit in", and people who do it because they really want to hurt themselves.
You're all just being really judgemental and up yourselves.

Except you emma.

[fraggled]

There's two types of cutters in my opinion. People who do it to "fit in", and people who do it because they really want to hurt themselves.
You're all just being really judgemental and up yourselves.

Except you emma.

I really don't care if someone cuts them self in general to get attention but if they are going to they should atleast do it right ;), as for the people who do it because they really want to hurt themselves, im kinda iffy on that because I think suicide is for pussies who can't handle life, life is not all that hard if you are willing to put some effort into it. Everyone has atleast one friend if they try.

[NewAbortion]

Is fashion. You might be upset but you're following a fashion trend and you're not benifiting anything from it, expect for maybe the attention you crave. Stop doing it and grow up. Find another way to get attention.

And half of your life's arent even that bad. There just average. Again, grow up. I ant got no time for cutters.

Sorry needed to get it off my chest.I see you included the fact that you "ain't got no time for cutters" (how articulate). See, that's where your ego comes in. Just because they cut, that doesn't mean you have to make time for them. Ignore them and just get over yourself. Honestly.
Now remember kids, cutting is more stratigic then you give it credit for, Bladey says down the road and across the street.

*I am not responsible for anything or everything you do as a result of my flames*Flames? You must be joking.

And I think you're confusing suicide with cutting. They are not one in the same. Not all cutters are suicidal or have even the slightest intention of committing suicide, so your statement that they should "do it right" is completely invalid.

~Maggot

[fraggled]

And I think you're confusing suicide with cutting. They are not one in the same. Not all cutters are suicidal or have even the slightest intention of committing suicide, so your statement that they should "do it right" is completely invalid.

~Maggot

Implications or attempts, half-ass or not half-ass, to do it so are all the same, cutting yourself is just a bitchs way of saying im to lazy to go all the way, there is no excuse to act in this manner. It's not cool, its not an accepted part of society and no body wants to hear the exuses for why people feel its acceptable, so end of story on the subject. I am sorry if you feel there is an excuse but there isn't because really, nobody cares, if you expect people to care then you have life fucked up because most people see through the pathetic bullshit, if you are going to do it, fuckin go all the way (then maybe people might feel sorry for you, but then some people feel that sucidie is a wimps way out and I agree with them) or no way at all, there is no excuse for this shit. There are more then enough resources AROUND THE WORLD not just here in the US or there in the UK or in Australia even Japan has help for suicidle people.

[Reblez]

Pearson (http://www.teenageforums.com/forums/member.php?u=126)has a point

[NewAbortion]

Implications or attempts, half-ass or not half-ass, to do it so are all the same, cutting yourself is just a bitchs way of saying im to lazy to go all the way, there is no excuse to act in this manner.Dear, are you familiar with the term 'masochism'?

It's not cool...Rule #1 in debates: Do not present an opinion as a fact.

...its not an accepted part of society...And neither was homosexuality 50 years ago. Point?

...and no body wants to hear the exuses for why people feel its acceptable...It amazes me how you feel it's reasonable to automatically apply your feelings, morals, and thoughts to everyone else. It must be great to be that delirious.
...so end of story on the subject.And yet it keeps going...

I am sorry if you feel there is an excuse...An excuse? No, I just think people should do it if they want to, and I think people should stop generalizing saying all cutters just want attention. When you do, you're forgetting all the other cases.

...but there isn't because really, nobody cares...Yes, no one cares. That's why we don't have any support groups, hotlines, books, TV shows, etc. on cutting. Of course.

...if you are going to do it, fuckin go all the way...This makes no sense. If the person is a masochist - they are perfectly content individuals with no suicidal desires, but merely enjoy pain - your statement is completely, utterly false. Now, let me spell it out for you: "going all the way" means going as far with something as one can. As you used it, it's taking cutting as a form of self-harm to a form of suicide. Why do some people cut? Because they're unhappy. So "going all the way" would indeed be suicide. However, for the people that aren't unhappy and aren't cutting out of unhappiness, as far as they can go isn't suicide, because that's not the direction they're headed. Clear enough for you?
(then maybe people might feel sorry for you, but then some people feel that sucidie is a wimps way out and I agree with them)I sometimes agree, but, again, you're generalizing and ignoring the special circumstances that happen all the time. What if someone was dying of cancer, and they just saw no point in living the last painful weeks of their life? It wasn't because they couldn't handle life, it's simply because they saw no point in continuing.

There are more then enough resources AROUND THE WORLD not just here in the US or there in the UK or in Australia even Japan has help for suicidle people.Again, you're equating suicide with cutting. Suicide =/= cutting.

~Maggot

[fraggled]

Dear, are you familiar with the term 'masochism'?

Are you familier with "When smart people get stupid ideas?"



Rule #1 in debates: Do not present an opinion as a fact.

Rule #2 Learn to use Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vs6&q=is+cutting+yourself+cool&btnG=Search)



And neither was homosexuality 50 years ago. Point?

Again Google (http://www.google.com), its still technically not an accepted position in society. I still suggest you look up several laws that have not been changed that clearly state that the form of sex homosexuals do is ILLEGAL. While not charged because people don't want to deal with the hassle it is still there ;), technically if you are under the age of 18 and engage in homosexual behaviour, you could and would probably get locked up, they still don't have equal rights, they are banned from getting married, should I continue on to disprove your "facts, points and clear false comparision"? Would you like me to point out the numerous gay bashings across the US in the last year? Accepted by society would mean something like slavery, 90% of the countries in this world no longer believe in it ;)



It amazes me how you feel it's reasonable to automatically apply your feelings, morals, and thoughts to everyone else. It must be great to be that delirious.And yet it keeps going...

Have you managed to read everyone elses opinion or are you really so neglectful and unattentive?



An excuse? No, I just think people should do it if they want to, and I think people should stop generalizing saying all cutters just want attention. When you do, you're forgetting all the other cases.

Do it if they want to? No ... (Long draumatic pause for effect please) ... fuck that bullshit because its people like me who have to pay for your countless fuck ups when your parents can't afford to pay for your mental asylum, or you kill yourself and SS has to pay for it or better yet, when they legaly call you depressed and you collect my fuckin tax money to pay for your food, mental help and everything else in life you need. Its my tax money that pays for that wasted resource and its everyone elses too. Hint, arteries are quicker then standard veins. Stop wasting my fuckin money, stop wasting your parents time with the bullshit, and stop making me pay taxes so you can get help you obviously don't want, I think they should pass a law that lets us cut cutters, that is, (Another long draumatic pause please) since they like to get cut after all ;), wait, wouldn't that make it attempted murder? To bad its not attempted suicide when you do it to yourself ;)



Yes, no one cares. That's why we don't have any support groups, hotlines, books, TV shows, etc. on cutting. Of course.


1.) Thats either Ex-Emo to Current-Emo or Emo-To-Emo doesn't count.
2.) They still don't care, thats like saying, yes, we really thought there were WMDs in iraq and the war is not about oil, they did it because its cheaper for us to fix you then it is for us to blow billions a year in tax money because you guys think your fuckin depressed, get your shit together.



This makes no sense. If the person is a masochist - they are perfectly content individuals with no suicidal desires, but merely enjoy pain - your statement is completely, utterly false.



I suggest you stop confusing your mental disorders with something that clearly does not involve cutting, and something that had to do with "love" and sex, with something that has to do with singular pleasure ;) most of the time, and that you stop confusing masochism with neo-masochism. The only people who seem to have gotten it right so far are the Japanese who clearly don't try to twist words like emos ;)




Now, let me spell it out for you: "going all the way"


I didnt know that was spelling? Although you make me laugh sometimes at how hypocritical you are, and don't ask how because you should know how based on your other threads.



means going as far with something as one can. As you used it, it's taking cutting as a form of self-harm to a form of suicide. Why do some people cut? Because they're unhappy. So "going all the way" would indeed be suicide.

You are rather confusing in your english, stop putting periods where they don't belong, but wait, if some people cut themselves because they are unhappy or even happy but doesn't complete the transaction wouldn't that be attempted suicide? Going half way would be attempted suicide, starting it would be the same, I suggest you look up Articles in both UK and US common law that clearly explains this in pure Common English ;)




However, for the people that aren't unhappy and aren't cutting out of unhappiness, as far as they can go isn't suicide, because that's not the direction they're headed.

Here let me "spell" this out for you : "A deliberate or ambivalent act of self-destruction or other life-threatening behaviour that does not result in death."



Clear enough for you?

Obviously not because I am not willing to accept your emo ways of twisting words and trying to make things apart of normal society. Either do it or don't and don't try and make it apart of society ;)



I sometimes agree, but, again, you're generalizing and ignoring the special circumstances that happen all the time. What if someone was dying of cancer, and they just saw no point in living the last painful weeks of their life? It wasn't because they couldn't handle life, it's simply because they saw no point in continuing.
Again, you're equating suicide with cutting. Suicide =/= cutting.

That is pure bullshit, "What if", "what if", "WHAT if", "WHAT IF", what about their fuckin families who didn't want them to go? Stop being so fuckin selfish. What about the countless cancer treatment centers that cure "uncureable" cancer every fuckin day. AND WTF is =/= ? It would be ~/= (Neither approximately nor actually equal to) or /= (Not equal to) or ≠ (entity form of Not Equal To) but not =/=, however in this case it would be "Suicide >= Cutting", its not as bad but it still is ;)

"I didn't attempt suicide, I simply just cut the viens that supply my heart and brain with blood to temporarily releave some pressure in them"

"She was into cutting and accidently killed herself because she did not recogdnize where common arteries are."

"She was into cutting and cut to deep causing an arterial leak in the arm, couldn't stop the bleeding because instead of calling the doctor who would put her into physicatric help she tried to fix it herself."

[Leon]

Rep to Pearson, well said.

[Kerry]

I agree with Izzy on this..

[Pearson]

I havent. I've Got absolutely no time for idiotic people who cut them selves. It's immature and stupid. Anyone who does it under the age of 16 has seen/heard other people do it and either want's attention or somehow think it will help them with there 'problem' anyone over the age of 16 who cuts them selves seriously neees to grow and face there problems rather then being immensley immature and stupid. What does it solve? What? How can it help? How you can stick for anyone who does it?

[NewAbortion]

Are you familier with "When smart people get stupid ideas?"That didn't manage to disprove my point in the slightest.

Rule #2 Learn to use Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vs6&q=is+cutting+yourself+cool&btnG=Search)And neither did that.

Again Google (http://www.google.com), its still technically not an accepted position in society.Again, that means nothing.

I still suggest you look up several laws that have not been changed that clearly state that the form of sex homosexuals do is ILLEGAL.Actually, I'm very well aware of these laws. However, society and the law aren't one in the same, and I said homosexuality wasn't acceptable in society's eyes then, not in the court's eyes.

While not charged because people don't want to deal with the hassle it is still there ;), technically if you are under the age of 18 and engage in homosexual behaviour, you could and would probably get locked up, they still don't have equal rights, they are banned from getting married, should I continue on to disprove your "facts, points and clear false comparision"?Again, society isn't the same thing as the law. I agree they don't have equal rights, but, in general, society is much more accepting.

However, if you really want to be that picky, I can bring up the fact women were considering subservient to men in society, but they're now considered equal.

Have you managed to read everyone elses opinion or are you really so neglectful and unattentive?In this thread? I actually did read everyone else's post. Point?

Do it if they want to? No ... (Long draumatic pause for effect please) ... fuck that bullshit because its people like me who have to pay for your countless fuck ups when your parents can't afford to pay for your mental asylum, or you kill yourself and SS has to pay for it or better yet, when they legaly call you depressed and you collect my fuckin tax money to pay for your food, mental help and everything else in life you need. Its my tax money that pays for that wasted resource and its everyone elses too.And you continue to generalize. I was a cutter, but I never wasted anyone's tax money. Not all cutters do that. So your problem isn't with cutters (in this instance), it's with people who waste your money, which is understandable.

Btw, not all people diagnosed with depression cut.

Hint, arteries are quicker then standard veins. Stop wasting my fuckin money, stop wasting your parents time with the bullshit, and stop making me pay taxes so you can get help you obviously don't want, I think they should pass a law that lets us cut cutters, that is, (Another long draumatic pause please) since they like to get cut after all ;), wait, wouldn't that make it attempted murder? To bad its not attempted suicide when you do it to yourself ;)I'm totally glad that made absolutely no sense nor had even a shred of logic. ;)

1.) Thats either Ex-Emo to Current-Emo or Emo-To-Emo doesn't count.So they're not people now? They've been dehumanized and are no longer considered part of the population? No. They do still "count."

2.) They still don't care...You haven't even the slightest bit of proof of that.

I suggest you stop confusing your mental disorders with something that clearly does not involve cutting, and something that had to do with "love" and sex, with something that has to do with singular pleasure ;) most of the time, and that you stop confusing masochism with neo-masochism. The only people who seem to have gotten it right so far are the Japanese who clearly don't try to twist words like emos ;)After read-reading this about 20 times and seeking the help of several friends, I have (or, rather, we have) come to the conclusion that this paragraph makes absolutely no sense and is either completely lacking in a point, or you're just lacking in the writing ability to express whatever your point may be.

I didnt know that was spelling?That's probably the worst come-back I've ever heard in my entire life.

Although you make me laugh sometimes at how hypocritical you are, and don't ask how because you should know how based on your other threads.Hokay.

You are rather confusing in your english, stop putting periods where they don't belong...Coming from the person who doesn't know the different between "then" and "than"? Interesting.

However, this isn't a debate/argument on grammar, so please stop throwing out random attempts at digs that haven't the slightest thing to do with the actual topic.

...but wait, if some people cut themselves because they are unhappy or even happy but doesn't complete the transaction wouldn't that be attempted suicide?No. Not all people who cut intend to commit suicide or attempt to commit suicide, therefore, not all people who cut are attempting anything.

Going half way would be attempted suicide, starting it would be the same, I suggest you look up Articles in both UK and US common law that clearly explains this in pure Common English ;)Were cutting attempted suicide, people would get arrested when they are caught cutting by authorities, which they're not.

But this isn't a debate on law, so it doesn't matter what the law classifies it as. If someone goes to punch you, and you shoot them, the law doesn't consider that self-defense, even though you technically were defending yourself.

Here let me "spell" this out for you : "A deliberate or ambivalent act of self-destruction or other life-threatening behaviour that does not result in death."


Obviously not because I am not willing to accept your emo ways of twisting words and trying to make things apart of normal society. Either do it or don't and don't try and make it apart of society ;)


That is pure bullshit, "What if", "what if", "WHAT if", "WHAT IF", what about their fuckin families who didn't want them to go? Stop being so fuckin selfish. What about the countless cancer treatment centers that cure "uncureable" cancer every fuckin day. AND WTF is =/= ? It would be ~/= (Neither approximately nor actually equal to) or /= (Not equal to) or ≠ (entity form of Not Equal To) but not =/=, however in this case it would be "Suicide >= Cutting", its not as bad but it still is ;)

"I didn't attempt suicide, I simply just cut the viens that supply my heart and brain with blood to temporarily releave some pressure in them"

"She was into cutting and accidently killed herself because she did not recogdnize where common arteries are."

"She was into cutting and cut to deep causing an arterial leak in the arm, couldn't stop the bleeding because instead of calling the doctor who would put her into physicatric help she tried to fix it herself."To be honest, I lost all interest in this debate about half way through your post when I realized you are either too biased, ignorant, and judgmental to produce a valid point, or you simply can't word it well enough, so I'm just done. But I figured I'd give you what I'd completed when I came to this realization, so there you go.
I've Got absolutely no time for idiotic people who cut them selves....

Good for you?

It's immature and stupid.Why?

What does it solve?It helps people emotionally. Whether you want to admit it or not, it does. And before you try to say it doesn't, take into consideration that your opinion means very little, considering (I assume) you've not done it; you don't know what it does and doesn't do.
How you can stick for anyone who does it?You mean stick up for someone who does it? Easy - logic.

I doubt I'll reply to you, either, but I may.

~Maggot

[fraggled]

You crack me up. I'm to busy laughing at your inability to completly comprehend posts to even fully reply :|, you would try to argue the relevance of Physics with Time and Space being one to create a continuum. I suggest you do research on how well gay people are accepted in society, I suggest you research how many people hate people who cut themselves, and I suggest you stop confusing sick, twisted, stupid and retard with "Helps people emotionally", if some one shot you would it be alright? Probably not, but it "would help them emotionally" ;).

[fraggled]

You crack me up. I'm to busy laughing at your inability to completly comprehend posts to even fully reply :|, you would try to argue the relevance of Physics with Time and Space being one to create a continuum. I suggest you do research on how well gay people are accepted in society, I suggest you research how many people hate people who cut themselves, and I suggest you stop confusing sick, twisted, stupid and retard with "Helps people emotionally", if some one shot you would it be alright? Probably not, but it "would help them emotionally" ;).

As well, I suggest you stop assuming that the law does not prevail, because the law DECIDES what happens in common society no matter how much you fuckin hippy retard emo son of a bitchs think it doesn't.

[NewAbortion]

You crack me up. I'm to busy laughing at your inability to completly comprehend posts to even fully reply :|Yes, it's because I cannot comprehend it. It couldn't possibly be because I'm sick, I have a hell of a migraine, my boyfriend just got online, and I've gotten about 4 hours of sleep (collectively) in the past two nights, so I just don't feel like debating with you. Of course not. It simply must be that I'm just too stupid to comprehend it.

~Maggot

[Sweetest.x.Sin]

Word, Pearson! Word.

[fraggled]

Yes, it's because I cannot comprehend it. It couldn't possibly be because I'm sick, I have a hell of a migraine, my boyfriend just got online, and I've gotten about 4 hours of sleep (collectively) in the past two nights, so I just don't feel like debating with you. Of course not. It simply must be that I'm just too stupid to comprehend it.

~Maggot

Assume what you want, but you should not have posted in the way you did you wanted people to feel sorry for you, wrong way to go about that shit.

[Deimos]

When discussing self-injury with someone who engages in it, it is suggested that one use the same terms and words which that person uses, e.g. "cutting".[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_note-spandler) Self-injury is usually not associated with an attempt at suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide); the person who self-injures is not usually seeking to end his or her own life, but is instead hoping to cope with or relieve unbearable emotional pain or discomfort.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_note-fox_hawton)

A popular misconception of self-injury is that it is an attention seeking behavior. In truth, many people who self-injure are very self-conscious of their wounds and scars and go to great lengths to conceal their behavior from others. They may offer alternative explanations for their injuries or conceal their scars with clothing.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_note-spandler)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_note-pembroke)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Self-injury.png/300px-Self-injury.png


Those who engage in self-injury face the contradictory reality of harming themselves whilst at the same time obtaining relief from this act. It may even be hard for some to actually initiate cutting, but they often do because they know the relief that will follow. For some self-injurers this relief is primarily psychological whilst for others this feeling of relief comes from the beta endorphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin) released in the brain (the same chemicals responsible for the "runner's high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner%27s_high)"). These act to reduce tension and emotional distress and may lead to a feeling of calm.

Motives for self-injury are often personal, often do not fit into medicalised models of behaviour and may seem incomprehensible to others, as demonstrated by this quote:
“ "My motivations for self-harming were diverse, but included examining the interior of my arms for hydraulic lines. This may sound strange."[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_note-17)

[NewAbortion]

Assume what you want, but you should not have posted in the way you did you wanted people to feel sorry for you, wrong way to go about that shit.Oh, darn. My devious plan to get sympathy for absolutely nothing from people I hardly even know and will never meet has been foiled by your amazing skills of perception. Whatever will I do now?

Thank you, Deimos.

~Maggot

[Deimos]

As well, I suggest you stop assuming that the law does not prevail, because the law DECIDES what happens in common society no matter how much you fuckin hippy retard emo son of a bitchs think it doesn't.

The law changes as a result of changes in what society wants, the beauty of democracy ya?

[fraggled]

The law changes as a result of changes in what society wants, the beauty of democracy ya?
And it still hasnt deemed neccessary to "Like" gay people either since everybody voted out gay marriage ;) so that point and comparison has clearly been proven.

[fraggled]

A popular misconception of self-injury is that it is an attention seeking behavior. In truth, many people who self-injure are very self-conscious of their wounds and scars and go to great lengths to conceal their behavior from others.

I suggest you look into how many other disorders of the same stature including attempted sucide when people do the same thing. :), not to mention, depression, anxiety disorer (which is one of the leading causes of "depression, attempted suicide and sometimes even "cutting"), people often conceal dieses and such, its a common trait among humans to "natrually" hide things by nature and its common in ALOT of disorders.

I also suggest you guys look up the definition of "Attempted Sucide" both as defined by common english and common law, compare them, build that card house, they both say the same thing, just because you "deem" it neccessary to classify it as "not being it" does not mean its not it, just like some people don't relate glass and silicon as sand, just because glass and silicon are fabricated from sand does NOT mean it is NOT SAND.

Go to your local hospital and stay there with a triage surgeon for one day, see how many people in that triage center LIE about their problems to try and conceal them from what is really causing the issue. People who cut generally do it for a reason, as clearly proven if you would have gone to your local university and asked them for case studies on common pyschcological disorders relating to "cutting".



When discussing self-injury

Isn't that was Suicide or Attempted suicide is? Heh, its amazing.



Those who engage in self-injury face the contradictory reality of harming themselves whilst at the same time obtaining relief from this act

Isnt that the same thing people who commit suicide do?



For some self-injurers this relief is primarily psychological




These act to reduce tension and emotional distress and may lead to a feeling of calm.

Isnt that why most people commit suicide? What you guys are doing is clearly trying to see what it "would" be like but not completing the transaction thus making yourselfs bigger pussies then you would have been if you had just done it, fuckin do it or don't, but DON'T DO IT HALF ASS!



Motives for self-injury are often personal, often do not fit into medicalised models of behaviour
Isnt that a common sign of depression? Which is after all the leading cause of Suicide around the world.



My motivations for self-harming were diverse, but included examining the interior of my arms for hydraulic lines.
So lets put this into perspective, a hydrlic line is important to your body as a hydrolic line is to a pump. If you cut that line it looses its life. I was looking for arterieis to see how they worked, but didn't tell anyone that I did it just because and it was a one time thing and I ended up dead because I didn't fuckin listen in biology class when they showed me the diagram of why arteries are important to my body, der der der!



They may offer alternative explanations for their injuries or conceal their scars with clothing.This is often from shame of knowing they are fuckin stupid. Women who get beat do the same thing because they are ashamed and know they are stupid for sticking around after the world tells them they shouldn't do that shit ;)



Self-injury is usually not associated with an attempt at suicide (http://www.teenageforums.com/forums/ext.php?ref=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide);


So, if I cut myself tomorrow to see what its like knowing where every major artery is and perpetually hit that artery to see if I can get high off "natural pain killers" and end up dead that wouldn't be sucide even though clearly I prepetually cut myself, or would that be attempted suimurder?

[Deimos]

Ok, my apologies if this is messy, because the arguments you make are stupid, I'll try my best to respond properly.




I also suggest you guys look up the definition of "Attempted Sucide" both as defined by common english and common law, compare them, build that card house, they both say the same thing, just because you "deem" it neccessary to classify it as "not being it" does not mean its not it, just like some people don't relate glass and silicon as sand, just because glass and silicon are fabricated from sand does NOT mean it is NOT SAND.
Self-injury (SI) or Self-harm (SH) is deliberate injury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injury) inflicted by a person upon his or her own body without suicidal intent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide).

Parasuicide refers to a suicidal gesture or a suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide) attempt that did not result in death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death) (a completed suicide).


Isn't that was Suicide or Attempted suicide is? Heh, its amazing.
Not at all, see above.



Isnt that the same thing people who commit suicide do?

Not at all, self-harmers will gain relief from their actions, Suicides die.
Not all suicides will consider that death is a relief, merely a better alternative than life.



Isnt that why most people commit suicide? What you guys are doing is clearly trying to see what it "would" be like but not completing the transaction thus making yourselfs bigger pussies then you would have been if you had just done it, fuckin do it or don't, but DON'T DO IT HALF ASS!
We're not seeing what anything 'would' be like, self-harm leads directly to a postive result in those that gain relief from it.

Suicides, as said, will usually kill themselves to escape their problems, not to gain relief.

But I must say, attempting to understand someone elses motivations for ending their life is shaky at best, so I"m not claiming this is what all suicides are doing.


Isnt that a common sign of depression? Which is after all the leading cause of Suicide around the world.
Maybe so, but many people live with depression without ending their lives.

If some B's are A's, are all A's then B's? clearly not.


So lets put this into perspective, a hydrlic line is important to your body as a hydrolic line is to a pump. If you cut that line it looses its life. I was looking for arterieis to see how they worked, but didn't tell anyone that I did it just because and it was a one time thing and I ended up dead because I didn't fuckin listen in biology class when they showed me the diagram of why arteries are important to my body, der der der!
That was an example of how reasons for Attempted Suicides are often incomprehensible to others, clearly you can't comprehend how he felt beforehand, or his reasoning, therefore the point is proven.


This is often from shame of knowing they are fuckin stupid. Women who get beat do the same thing because they are ashamed and know they are stupid for sticking around after the world tells them they shouldn't do that shit images/smilies/wink.gif
Prove it.


So, if I cut myself tomorrow to see what its like knowing where every major artery is and perpetually hit that artery to see if I can get high off "natural pain killers" and end up dead that wouldn't be sucide even though clearly I prepetually cut myself, or would that be attempted suimurder?

You make no sense, Cut yourself in order to know where all the major arteries are in order to get high? The pain itself produces the high, not where you cut. If you knowingly cut an artery, you are attempting suicide. If you're cutting yourself without the intent of killing yourself, you no longer possess the mens rea, and have not committed suicide.

There is a clear difference between suicide, attempted suicide, and self-harm.

[Deimos]

And it still hasnt deemed neccessary to "Like" gay people either since everybody voted out gay marriage ;) so that point and comparison has clearly been proven.

And to practise homosexuality is now no longer illegal, funny how things change eh?

[Pearson]

Good for you?
Why?
It helps people emotionally. Whether you want to admit it or not, it does. And before you try to say it doesn't, take into consideration that your opinion means very little, considering (I assume) you've not done it; you don't know what it does and doesn't do. You mean stick up for someone who does it? Easy - logic.

I doubt I'll reply to you, either, but I may.

~Maggot

How is it logic to stick up for someone who cuts themselves to support them self emotionally? You're the type of people that if your peers and heroes pissed themselves to support themselves emotionally you'd do it. And you wouldnt understand why people think it's stupid and doesnt actually help you. Because lets be honest, pissing your self provides about as much emotional support as cutting your fucking self. Its stupid and immature, why do I say that? Because mature people would talk out there problems or just deal with them. I wont admit that it helps people because it doesnt at all. Grow up and stop trying to act like this isnt a trend. Stop making excuses as to why you cut and self harm, you're pathetic. Face life's problems. It wont sort anything but standing up tall and facing your problems will.

Man one gets into a big argument with his parents - he does nothing but cut him self, everyone thinks he's a loser, and he does little to try and resolve the problem. The relationship between his parent and him is always under strain and they very rarely get on.

Man Two gets into a big argument with his parents - he goes to talk out his problems and although they dont agree they learn to live with each other's difference, as the issue is resolved man two doesnt need to find 'emotional support,' carries on his life and becomes socially accepted because he's not a fucking loser that cuts him self.

[Kate]

You crack me up. I'm to busy laughing at your inability to completly comprehend posts to even fully reply :|, you would try to argue the relevance of Physics with Time and Space being one to create a continuum. I suggest you do research on how well gay people are accepted in society, I suggest you research how many people hate people who cut themselves, and I suggest you stop confusing sick, twisted, stupid and retard with "Helps people emotionally", if some one shot you would it be alright? Probably not, but it "would help them emotionally" ;).

SECONDED :D

[fraggled]

And to practise homosexuality is now no longer illegal, funny how things change eh?
K.S.A. §21-3505

Thats chapter 21 pat 2 article 35:

21-3505. Criminal sodomy. (a) Criminal sodomy is: (1) Sodomy between persons who are 16 or more years of age and members of the same sex or between a person and an animal;
(2) sodomy with a child who is 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age; or
(3) causing a child 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age to engage in sodomy with any person or animal.
(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of criminal sodomy as provided in subsection (a)(2) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.
(c) Criminal sodomy as provided in subsection (a)(1) is a class B nonperson misdemeanor. Criminal sodomy as provided in subsections (a)(2) and (a)(3) is a severity level 3, person felony.

Lawrence v. Texas was a landmark case in helping homosexuals in the right to sexual privacy IN TEXAS but that wasnt till 2003, and was NOT accepted by many states and till this day homosexuals still get charged by states, but they usually end up in the Supreme courts hands who rule that its not right to do so, this does NOT hold back the fact that the states do it. "Under the traditional common law, the rights of sexual partners were protected through the marriage contract. Thus, sex outside of the marital contract was unprotected and frequently punished by laws prohibiting fornication" it wasn't because it was accepted it was because it was a violation of your right to privacy and your right to "have sex in the way you want" if they felt that way CLEARLY they would have shot down the laws that came into effect a few years ago prohibiting gay marriage in the United States ;)

Being gay till this day is not an accepted part of society even though it should be, i suggest you stop taking a look at yourselfs and how you think and start looking at the world as it is, I have a gay uncle who will say the same thing if he hadn't of passed away, if it was there wouldn't be laws every day preventing it, there wouldn't be so many unsolved gay bashins across america every year and the same thing in the U.K.

You guys will give them a reason to accept gay people though, because now they will pass laws unjustifying "cutting" and officially associate it as a form of sucide whether or not you hippies say its for suicidal reasons or not, you guys clearly do it for reasons commonlly associated with suicide. You can argue it all you want, and you can justify it all you want, but YOU ARE FALSE and YOU ARE CLEARLY FALSE, there is NOT A REASON TO CUT YOURSELF, self exploration or not, it is not accepted and it will never be accepted and if you end up in the hospital for doing it, under FEDERAL LAW they can deem you suicidal and hold you for upto 72 hours for evauluation and then send you to a state certified facility if they wish so.

[Deimos]

Nice how you choose to ignore everything else I posted Bedwell :)



How is it logic to stick up for someone who cuts themselves to support them self emotionally? You're the type of people that if your peers and heroes pissed themselves to support themselves emotionally you'd do it. And you wouldnt understand why people think it's stupid and doesnt actually help you. Because lets be honest, pissing your self provides about as much emotional support as cutting your fucking self. Its stupid and immature, why do I say that? Because mature people would talk out there problems or just deal with them. I wont admit that it helps people because it doesnt at all. Grow up and stop trying to act like this isnt a trend. Stop making excuses as to why you cut and self harm, you're pathetic. Face life's problems. It wont sort anything but standing up tall and facing your problems will.

You're operating on the unmovable premise that everyone who self-harms is the same, with the same motives, 'to look cool'?

I'll respost.



Motives for self-injury are often personal, often do not fit into medicalised models of behaviour and may seem incomprehensible to others, as demonstrated by this quote:
“ "My motivations for self-harming were diverse, but included examining the interior of my arms for hydraulic lines. This may sound strange."



^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm#_ref-17) Pembroke, L R (ed.)(1994) Self-harm. Perspectives from personal experience (P. 18), Survivors Speak Out ISBN 1-904697-04-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=1904697046)

Now, I have sources, where are yours? You're making ignorant generalizations and backing nothing up, and you're clearly refusing to look at the issue with an objective mind.

[fraggled]

Nice how you choose to ignore everything else I posted Bedwell :)



You're operating on the unmovable premise that everyone who self-harms is the same, with the same motives, 'to look cool'?

I'll respost.



Now, I have sources, where are yours? You're making ignorant generalizations and backing nothing up, and you're clearly refusing to look at the issue with an objective mind.

I am ignoring most of what you say because its either contradictory or just flat out stupid, not worth my time to argue anymore, it was actually fun to argue with Kate because she brought her full game and the best of her ability, you, all I see is the stealing of wikipedia content and no actual research into the subject, you think one article justifies a complete argument. I suggest you strive away from that if you want to make it in the world of real jobs where they will laugh you out of the building with one, two or even just three sources to your argument.

Ill use your own article to refute everything you stole from wikipedia and to point out contradiction between your previous posts and your stolen posts.

For self-injury in wartime, see Self-inflicted wound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-inflicted_wound).
This article focuses on repetitive self-injury, not severe self-injury inflicted during psychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis), such as eye enucleation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enucleation) and amputation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amputation). - WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm

and on a final note since I am to lazy to unitalic this post.

I do believe she has said herself that self harm leads to suicide alot ;) which is why she started the stop-hurting-yourself-movement ;) do your research better kid.

[Kate]

it was actually fun to argue with Kate because she brought her full game and the best of her ability

YAY.
I provide entertainment :)

[Bob!]

YAY.
I provide entertainment :)

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[Kate]

:p

[fraggled]

ha ha