Vegetarian/vegan

[BlueStar]

I consider myself to be a strict vegetarian and almost-vegan. I don't drink milk, I drink soy milk (I don't really like either, but I need the calcium). I don't eat eggs or gelatin as well..
My opinions on PETA are kind of scattered.

[Shane]

Wow, I could not do that. Well done. Why do you do it? Is it because you feel sorry for the animals or somethign along those lines?

I know a few people who are vegans but only because they think its the 'right' thing to do and want to be different to all of their friends.

I do sometimes fele a little sorry for the animals when eating my food but I do not actually have meat all that often these days anyway, I am more of a Food Junkie, eating all sorts of crap that is not really good for me.

[Mamfy]

I am a vegetarian because I loved animals so much when I was younger that I din't think it was fair to eat them.

I eat eggs and cheese and milk because it doesn't physically hurt the animal, that is what hey produce like women produce milk, it doesn't hurt. But meat is killing and I don't believe that to be right.

There, my views. I have been a veggie for about 5-6 years and I am healthy so it's all good:)

[The Reaper]

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.

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[Azaghal]

I
I eat eggs and cheese and milk because it doesn't physically hurt the animal,


Nor does a 12-gauge to the head. Instant death, no pain. Lots of nutrients.
*Starts mauling a cow corpse*

[The Reaper]

I eat eggs

Oh well that's perfectly alright then. I mean you wouldn't mind if I came in and stole your eggs (notice the similarity?) and ate them? I'm sure that would make you feel good.

[Pearson]

Man cant live by chips alone.

[Mamfy]

Reaper, what are you on about? Seriously?

[The Wheel]

I have a vegetarian friend and we're pretty mean to him,we had this luncheon thing for our news network at school and we had olive garden, we just were like, {his name here} you know they put meat in that salad, right?

And my other friend keeps forgetting that he's a vegetarian at lunch and is like, "{his name here}, want my last chicken nugget? I'm full"

[Pearson]

Vegetarions who dont eat meat cos they dont think its fair on animals are odd. I think there a bit childish if im being honest.

[*Jess*]

Why is it childish?
Is it childish people don't believe in cannibalism and murdering humans?
No. It's just the same thing.
I was a vegetarian at one point but I couldn't do it. I belive that if nobody ate meat then the world would be overrun with them and eventually they would go extinct because farmers would have no need for some animals and they wouldn't be able to live in the wild anyway because they would have no means of being able to live, as the world has evolved in a way they wouldnt be able to.
Especially if the world suddenly became vegetarians, as the animals have evolved and become dependant on humans basically.
though the reason i became vegetarian is because I saw how inhumanely a lot of animals are killed and how some live, and its not nice.
Also, not everyone is going to stop eating meat, and they aren't going to kill any less animals than they would if i ate meat. So i did myself a favour basically, as I was helping nobody or no animals. And I need the protein, I'm skinny enough as it is. I was pretty much living off cheese.

[Shane]

Vegetarions who dont eat meat cos they dont think its fair on animals are odd. I think there a bit childish if im being honest.
Yeah, its not childish.

Some people just beleive certain things are wrong and actually care for the thoughts and feelings of others! :P

[*Jess*]

Oh yeah, and I hate PETA.
Just because they are vegetarians doesn't give them the right to force it on others. They are no better or have no more morals than the rest of us, they just have different morals and different beliefs. It doesnt mean its right. We don't force meat eating on them do we?
I nearly cried when I saw some of the videos on their website. If they didn't show them, I would remain blissfully clueless.
And also, I'm SURE with some of the things they use the worst examples and stereotype everything with it, like KFC, I'm sure not all the animals are killed in the way they depicted on their videos.
Though I do belive thats wrong the way they killed them, and they should kill them humanely, but they don't need to force it on other people.

[BleedBlack]

I just don't get it how some vegetarians don't eat meat, but then it's still cool if they eat chicken or turkey..seriously..what the fuck?!?

[Mamfy]

Okay, if you had to go out tomorrow and hunt down your meat and kill it and prepare it and eat it, would you do it to eat meat?

I don't force my vegetarian views on anyone, but people shove meat in my face. I don't try and convert people, I just have my own views on the matter.

[Pearson]

Why is it childish?
Is it childish people don't believe in cannibalism and murdering humans?
No. It's just the same thing.

thats possibly the worst argument iv ever heard. Killing a person is completely different to killing animals, look some chickens live to be eaten, you vegetarions are stopping there dream!

[NATAL!E]

Man cant live by chips alone.

Classic quote.

But well. I think vegetarianism/veganism is each to their own.

[*Jess*]

thats possibly the worst argument iv ever heard. Killing a person is completely different to killing animals, look some chickens live to be eaten, you vegetarions are stopping there dream!

Well how do we know we dont live to be eaten? There isnt a rule book.
you vegetarians?
since when was i a vegetarian. once i was, but i realised it was silly and i didnt carry on.
and that has to be the worst argument iv ever heard too.
Also, I didn't mean that its the same to kill a human as to kill a chicken, im just statiing that whereas some people believe some things, others believe other things. and we dont know for sure who is right, do we?
Its not childish to believe things like...believe a football team you support are the best, so believing in a more serious matter definitely isnt childish.

[Pearson]

If your refering to me, I dont belive they are the best. You defiantly are the wildest debator iv ever known. 'How do you know we dont live to be eaten, there isnt a rule book' lmao quality. So let me get this straight, your saying canabalism's ok, because there isnt a rule book?

[*Jess*]

no, im not saying cannibalism is ok, but its my opinion. the rule book thing was a metaphor, I was basically saying there is no way to know whether it is supposed to happen or it is wrong.
and in the football thing, i wasnt referring to you, i was referring to people who believe their football team is best.

[The Reaper]

Alright look here you, these animals are bred to be eaten. Animals in the wild eat other animals, so why can't we? According to you, it's perfectly alright if animals are killed as they would be in the wild, but just because we perfected this normal occurance through domesticating animals and raising them to be eaten, we are evil? You just like to think of yourself as being better than others because you "care for the animals". It is very childish and immature. The world works how it works, you can accept that or live in your little fantasy world. You just don't realise the consequences of your actions. You risk upsetting the natural order of things.

Grow up.

[Pearson]

Alright look here you, these animals are bred to be eaten. Animals in the wild eat other animals, so why can't we? According to you, it's perfectly alright if animals are killed as they would be in the wild, but just because we perfected this normal occurance through domesticating animals and raising them to be eaten, we are evil? You just like to think of yourself as being better than others because you "care for the animals". It is very childish and immature. The world works how it works, you can accept that or live in your little fantasy world. You just don't realise the consequences of your actions. You risk upsetting the natural order of things.

Grow up.

CHECK MATE!

[Mamfy]

You can not say that vegetarians are being childish. I for one certainly do not believe that I am better than others because everyone is equal.

Being avegetarian is a part of who I am. I am no different to evryone else, I just have different views. We can all agree to disagree but I will not stand for someone calling me childish just because I don't think it's right to eat animals.

You don't see me calling all you killers or pathetic because you believe eating animals is right. It's just courtesy. You eat meat, I don't. We have different views that can not be mixed. Fair and square.

Who gives you the right to criticise and call people pathetic and childish? I believe that yuou are being childish if you are willing to insult vegetarians just because they don't want to eat meat, and just because they have different opinions to you.

[The Reaper]

CHECK MATE!

Thank you.

Now to you, "Mamfy". What if I said eating carrots was wrong? Let's say I had a pet carrot when I was younger and now think that eating them is horribly wrong. You wouldn't think of me as childish?

[Azaghal]

So... when man-eating cows are ravaging the world becuase you refused to eat them. You're still going to believe it was okay to not eat animals?

[Mamfy]

Reaper, no one has apet carrot do they? You never ever hear of that, you're just bringing immature things into the argument that are irrelevant.

Animals and humans have the right to do what they want. We shouldn't control them. carrots don't have any control, they don't move by themselves or act like animals or humans do. That argument was irrelevant.

[NATAL!E]

Look. This is stupid. You're arguing over something which has been controversial for years. And there's really no point.

Fine. Some people are vegetarians because they prefer to eat meat. It doesn't affect any one else, so what? That's fine.

Some people choose to eat meat because of the protein content and just.. Liking it I guess. That's a choice too.

So why such conflict over something so.. Simple? People make their own choices in life, and that's the way it goes.

One of my friends is a vegetarian, and has been for a while now. My mum's cousin's wife is a vegetarian, she's been one for a very long time. And I have absolutely NO problem with that. It wouldn't be right if everyone was the same. It would be boring. Like someone says everytime about people being different and not 'clones'. This is the same.

If everyone was a vegetarian cattle farmers would go out of business, the meat market would collapse and we would be overrun by cattle. But no matter what people do, there'll always be meat-eaters, and the market supplies them with the meat they want and need for protein. Just being some organisations protest about carnivores, it's not going to stop animals being farmed and killed for food. Accept that.

Another point. Nearly all animals are killed humanely these days. It's against laws to do things like PETA show, hence the reason why these kinds of people are prosecuted. The animals which are killed humanely don't suffer and feel pain, because it's so sudden. Yes. I know it's 'murder' and all that. But nothing's going to stop it happening, so there's no point.

Human's are omnivores. That's why we have the teeth we do. We were made to eat meat and vegetables, fruit etc. Hell. We even had an appendix to eat grass, until we stopped eating it and the appendix became useless.

It's up to the individual what they want to eat and do with their own life. So is religion. Even those people who drink their own piss for God's sake.

So stop preaching about rights and wrongs. Even step-down, take a step back and just keep your insults and nasty views to yourself. There's no need for direct views/insults at the way people choose to live. It's also very unfair. =/

[Mamfy]

Lastly, I would like to say that I am quite happy to have a debate about any topics. I quite enjoy talking about vegetarianism or any other topics, but I will not stand for people insulting me purely because of what I believe in.

I for one know that when someone uses insults in a debate, they have lost.

[Bob!]

LoL I see we have a classic heated discussion here, you could maybe whap a topic up in debates with a poll as to whether its "right" or not to eat animals or whatever.

I dont normally visit the food forum but as to the topic, well as with most things I'm not that bothered what other people do as long as its not harmful to other people, and especially leave em be if its just a personal pasttime or trait.

I'm definatly not a vegitarian as I love a good beef dinner or whatever else, hell I had a sandwich at break this mornin from tesco comprised of 8 rashes of bacon 3 sausage and an egg lol, I ate it and enjoyed it as usual, Beefy Ass sandwiches rule.

As to whether its right or not in killing the animal well, thats just one o those things that ya havto leave to ya own beliefs, for me I dont really think about the animal that gave me the meat for that sandwich or whatever, nor did I kill it, I just ate the food and enjoyed it, so at least through that theres some good bein got out of it as the animal was already dead, better than goin to waste an dyin for nothin ya?
Also if other people believe killin and eatin em is wrong well, thats totally fine as long as they dont expect everyone else to be the same. and that goes for the other way round too. Thats my opinion.

Anyways ill be keepin an eye on this so just make sure ya dont tune up any insults or intended annoyances or anythin, try and keep it a civilised discussion at least.

Also just to top things off and cool things down, I once again present you with this legendary piece of forum text...




but people shove meat in my face.

[Mamfy]

Oi shut up rude boi:P

THis is a serious matter in hand!

[The Reaper]

You chose to ignore my argument. Just because a carrot doesn't move or behaves in a way that we can relate to, does automatically qualify it as edible. See you think killing animals is wrong because you relate to them, they move, breathe, and eat like us. Carrots on the other hand do not, so you think it's alright to eat them. It really isn't fair.

[Mamfy]

Okay then, I'd like to see you eat nothing because you don't think it's fair.

In Genesis 1:26-30 God said to (the humans) 'Be fruitful, and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.' Then God said 'I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.'

This clearly tells us that God did not mean for people to eat meat, he gave them the seed bearing plants to eat the seeds from, not the animals to eat the meat from.

[NATAL!E]

Mamfy. This is going to start a huge war of religion, ethics and opinions.

Plus. How is pushing a certain religion at people going to make them think otherwise?

[Mamfy]

I'm not pushing acertain religion at anyone.

We were learning about it in RS today.

I don't want to eat meat, I don't care if all of you do. I am not forcing anyone to do anything.

[CraigYohn!]

I eat meat and veg
some people eat meat only
some people eat veg

Its never going to change, unless the world explodes.
This topic will go on forever for aslong as people have there own opinions, just eat, live, shut up.

[The Reaper]

See Mamfy, your quote proves nothing. It says we should eat the seeds of trees and so on, but it DOES NOT SAY WE SHOULDN'T EAT ANIMALS. It mentions that we rule over everything, if you rule over something, you decide what to do with it. Therefore, according to your religion, god gave us the option of eating animals. Now God being all powerful would have known the outcome of such an action (us eating animals) and decided to go ahead with it anyway. Are you saying God was wrong?

[Azaghal]

Shigeru Miyamoto eats meat. Case closed.

[Bob!]

Rofl, be good if you spelt it right but yeah thats a point enuf :P

Also basically as with most things it all balls down to personal opinion, and its forever gunna be that way till the world explodes as yorkie said.

As many attampts at religion, ethics, or anythin else, there is no true answer for what is right or wrong in this area, except that you eat what YOU like and dont force it on anyone else, that should be the same with anythin.

So really the objective o this topic now is jus to see actually how many are vegetarian/vegan/non-vegetarian or vegan or whatever, just out of plain curiosity of which they are, and why.

*poll added*

[*Jess*]

We werent not meant to eat meat.
Something wouldn't have gone on since the beginning of time if it wasnt meant to be.
Just coz there is a quote from a passage in a bible, it doesnt mean anything. the bible may have been made by a vegetarian. And what about the non-believers? The ones who believe in science will surely see that vegetarianism is a choice, and not how its meant to be so that meat eaters are wrong.
animals eat other animals. Humans can't be restricted to a diet. We are pretty much at the end of a food chain, the food chain for us doesn't end at vegetables and fruits, if so, it would be a bloody short food chain.
People have opinions, but it doesnt mean they are right and others are wrong. Im not saying vegetarianism is wrong, and I'm not saying meat eating is wrong.
But I'm saying that meat eating is in no way, wrong. And that to me is not an opinion, because its something that has been around forever.
Vegetarianism may be about an opinion that it is wrong for themselves to eat meat, but it shouldnt mean it is wrong for everyone else to eat meat.

[The Reaper]

Hawtness Confirmed. You've got Jess.

[BleedBlack]

For the poll why is it pure meat eater? No-one purely lives off just meat, that is ridiculous.

[Bob!]

No idea, did it quickly lol, if you've got suggestions then happy to hear em.

I probably meant something like hardcore meat eater, kinda opposite to a veggie or vegan lol.

[NATAL!E]

If you think, some people hate vegetables. And they just eat meat. So it does actually make sense. :P

[*Jess*]

Yes dear, but i can bet those people will eat sweets and chocolate too :P


Hawtness Confirmed. You've got Jess.

???????????? sorry, i dont get yer. :S


*Post merged, and he's tryin to look good jess lol*
--Bob-

[Azaghal]

FFS, has nobody watched Undercover Brother? Anyway, I shall explain it to you simply. You are hawt.

And yes, this is The Reaper. I forgot my pass, so I'm using Azaghal's account.

-_-

You hacked me. Get out of my account. >_>



*Well 1. don't treble post, and 2. If you pm an admin (me) and ask nicely, we can reset your password for you.
Its best letting NO ONE else know your password, because if anything happens that results in your account being banned or deleted, itl be yer own fault for letting em have access in the first place.*
--Bob--

[*Jess*]

Never even heard of undercover brother, but thankyou anyway.
have you asked for a password report thing?

[Pearson]

undercover brother is possibly the worst film iv ever seen in my life, and its official if you dont eat meat you turn into a giant pussy.

[Shane]

undercover brother is possibly the worst film iv ever seen in my life, and its official if you dont eat meat you turn into a giant pussy.
That was on Southpark so I imagine that there must be some truth behind it after all.

[Ben]

meat is good for you, dont knock it. fuck the fucking animals

theyre here for us to eat, dont stand around like pussies protesting against people killinganimals for food, that's why this country's going to the dogs, people moaning all the time...speaking of dog...im hungry...cya later

[Shane]

meat is good for you, dont knock it. f*ck the f*cking animals

theyre here for us to eat, dont stand around like pussies protesting against people killinganimals for food, that's why this country's going to the dogs, people moaning all the time...speaking of dog...im hungry...cya later

Whoa Ben?! Dint eat your dog without cooking it thoroughly first, that takes hours. if your hungry now I recommend a Budgie or something, just a quick snack for now while the dogs in the oven! ;)

[Ben]

nah it's ok shane, i put rover in the slow cooker last night, my house smells of the juicy dog meat! mmm...

but yeh rover's not cooked yet (well not to my satisfaction anyway, i hate it when it's not tender enough...too ROUGH ROUGH...RRRRROOOUUUGH
i took your advice and stuck to the budgie while i wait for the dog, and im going to nibble on the hamster babies while i carve the main meal

[Lemmiwinks]

I don't eat meat, I think it is wrong to cause pain to another living thing when it can be avoided.

I used to be vegan, but I can not do it any more because I am allergic to nuts, which is a large source of protein for someone who does not eat meat. I am still very strict about what I eat. I will not eat any meat at all, and I never have. I will only eat any products from animals if I know that it is organic, and that the animals were not harmed for food.

I am pretty much a vegan, except I eat organic milk and cheese. I don't eat it very often though. I never have eaten any meat, fish, gelatin, honey, or eggs. I only eat milk and cheese occasionally for the vitamins, protein, and calcium. I make sure that it is organic and cruelty-free so the animals are not mistreated for their milk or given hormones.

I also do not use any products that came from or where tested on animals, like fur, leather, soap, lanolin, rennet, etc.

lol, it sound like I don't eat anything! But I eat a lot of soy, its good for you :)

[Pearson]

I am pretty much a vegan, except I eat organic milk and cheese. I don't eat it very often though. I never have eaten any meat, fish, gelatin, honey, or eggs. I only eat milk and cheese occasionally for the vitamins, protein, and calcium. I make sure that it is organic and cruelty-free so the animals are not mistreated for their milk or given hormones.

I also do not use any products that came from or where tested on animals, like fur, leather, soap, lanolin, rennet, etc.

lol, it sound like I don't eat anything! But I eat a lot of soy, its good for you :)

yer, this is a perfect example of some-one who has gone too far with the hole cruelty to animals thing. Its an animal for christ sake! People in factories slave in disgusting conditions to make items of clothing such as nike trainers, but I bet you still wear them. Vegan/Vegetarian thing is just about people who want to look kind and caring so they dont eat meat, well the rest of the world thinks your idiots.

[random-lemons]

I'm sorry but i do not agree with vegetarians! Most say they are veggies bcoz they don't agree with eating animals and cruelty etc. BUT, do vegetarians take in account for these things too??
- Wearing Leather shoes
- Use cosmetics which have been tested on animals
- Eat jelly sweets (haribo)
- Have taken medication which has been tested on animals
- Have been to a zoo

I could go on and on but i wont, actually one more thing...If i meet another vegetarian who says they eat fish i will literally scream!!!!


Also, think of the clothes you wear, poor poor little kids from third world countires have slaved over making your clothes for like 2p a day...but i bet you still wear those clothes!

[Lemmiwinks]

Sorry to ruin your little thing on how kids in third world countries do not get paid well, but maybe you need to see this first.

http://www.goveg.com/worldHunger.asp

You see, not only is the killing animals cruel, but it contributes in a huge way to world starvation. Which believe it or not, I also care about. Those children are starving to death while we continue to eat meat.


yer, this is a perfect example of some-one who has gone too far with the hole cruelty to animals thing. Its an animal for christ sake! People in factories slave in disgusting conditions to make items of clothing such as nike trainers, but I bet you still wear them. Vegan/Vegetarian thing is just about people who want to look kind and caring so they dont eat meat, well the rest of the world thinks your idiots.

I think that you are very ignorant. You should see these two articles before you judge me for trying to do something good for the world!

http://www.goveg.com/environment.asp

http://www.goveg.com/worldHunger.asp

Also, nope, I don't wear Nike becase my father told me from the time that I was five that children my age are forced to work under horrible conditions for hours every day to make those shoes. I never said anywhere that I only care about the rights of animals, of course I care about people too! That is why I do not eat meat!

[Ben]

I don't eat meat, I think it is wrong to cause pain to another living thing when it can be avoided.

I used to be vegan, but I can not do it any more because I am allergic to nuts, which is a large source of protein for someone who does not eat meat. I am still very strict about what I eat. I will not eat any meat at all, and I never have. I will only eat any products from animals if I know that it is organic, and that the animals were not harmed for food.


I am pretty much a vegan, except I eat organic milk and cheese. I don't eat it very often though. I never have eaten any meat, fish, gelatin, honey, or eggs. I only eat milk and cheese occasionally for the vitamins, protein, and calcium. I make sure that it is organic and cruelty-free so the animals are not mistreated for their milk or given hormones.

I also do not use any products that came from or where tested on animals, like fur, leather, soap, lanolin, rennet, etc.

lol, it sound like I don't eat anything! But I eat a lot of soy, its good for you :)

I'm actually surprised you managed to find the energy and strength to type that message!!

[Lemmiwinks]

huh? why? It took like five minutes.

lol, I am surprised anyone read that!


*Try usin the edit button instead o double postin plz lemmi lol*
--Bob--

[Brianna.]

Do you live in one of those communes?

[Lemmiwinks]

Are you talking to me?

[Brianna.]

Yes I am.





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[Pearson]

I think that you are very ignorant. You should see these two articles before you judge me for trying to do something good for the world!

http://www.goveg.com/environment.asp

http://www.goveg.com/worldHunger.asp

Also, nope, I don't wear Nike becase my father told me from the time that I was five that children my age are forced to work under horrible conditions for hours every day to make those shoes. I never said anywhere that I only care about the rights of animals, of course I care about people too! That is why I do not eat meat!

And my point, that I actually never raised but should have done, has been confirmed. There are many people like you, you've been brought up to belive these stupid things that you can actually change the world buy not eating meat. Well thats ridicoulous, you should try thinking for your self and eat meat. It will taste nice and you will enjoy it.

[random-lemons]

You see, not only is the killing animals cruel, but it contributes in a huge way to world starvation. Which believe it or not, I also care about. Those children are starving to death while we continue to eat meat.

Yes i agree that these children are dying and it is terrible, but why should we stop killing animals to eat them? We should not penalise ourselves because of this, as im sure they would do the same if they knew how and had the resources to do so. Also, if these poor people had more crops then that would help immensely but that doesnt stop vegetarians in this country eating vegetables.
We should be grateful for the food that we have and carry on eating meat. I am in no way trying to speak badly of the people in third world countries but i do think we should appriciate what we have. The human being has evolved and without meat we would not be here today, or at least not be the same as we are today.

Thats all i have to say on this matter, if you do not agree then thats fair enough.

[Lemmiwinks]

And my point, that I actually never raised but should have done, has been confirmed. There are many people like you, you've been brought up to belive these stupid things that you can actually change the world buy not eating meat. Well thats ridicoulous, you should try thinking for your self and eat meat. It will taste nice and you will enjoy it.

Yes, I do think for myself. That is exactly why I am going to continue to do what I think is right and not listen to you. Haha, did you really think that was going to work? There is no logical reason why I should eat meat, so I am not going to.



Yes i agree that these children are dying and it is terrible, but why should we stop killing animals to eat them? We should not penalise ourselves because of this, as im sure they would do the same if they knew how and had the resources to do so. Also, if these poor people had more crops then that would help immensely but that doesnt stop vegetarians in this country eating vegetables.
We should be grateful for the food that we have and carry on eating meat. I am in no way trying to speak badly of the people in third world countries but i do think we should appriciate what we have. The human being has evolved and without meat we would not be here today, or at least not be the same as we are today.

Thats all i have to say on this matter, if you do not agree then thats fair enough.

I don't think you understand. The point I was trying to make is that if everyone in the world was vegetarian, there would be more than enough food to eat. That means no more world starvation; and I am sure if you lived in a country like Sierra Leone, you would have a much different view. We should stop killing animals to eat them because it is cruel, it is ruining the environment, and it is creating starvation in other countries. That is why we should stop killing animals to eat them.

Growing vegetables uses less soil, water, land, and energy than raising animals for meat. That is why vegetarians in this country have not stopped eating vegetables. Lol, also because they would die if the did not eat!

[Brianna.]

Well, no offence, but what other purpose do cows have? What about chickens?

If we didn't use them for food, they'd overpopulate. Simple as that. They're completely useless except as sources of food.

[rondo]

if we wernt ment 2 eat animals y r they made of meat??

[Brianna.]

Hahaha...you're made of meat, technically.


All 'meat' is is muscle tissue.

[donolad]

i hate when veggies moan about man destroyin rainforests they would still be there if it wasn't for u lot eatin it

[Lemmiwinks]

i hate when veggies moan about man destroyin rainforests they would still be there if it wasn't for u lot eatin it

lol, thats funny, cause Mc Donald's and other fast-food restaurants cut down rain forest for cow grazing land. I don't eat anything that was grown in a rain forest, most of the fruits and veggies I eat were grown in or near Colorado.


Well, no offence, but what other purpose do cows have? What about chickens?

If we didn't use them for food, they'd overpopulate. Simple as that. They're completely useless except as sources of food.

Actually, they are raised so closely together that they over-populate already, so they must be "destroyed". If humans did not breed cows, chickens, etc. they would not overpopulate. If you want an example, I will find one on the internet, but I am positive they would not overpopulate like the human race has.

Also, I am not sure what purpose any animal on earth has, including humans. That is the ancient question, "why are we here?" I do not think that animals are here for our pleasure and our abuse.

[*Jess*]

lol, thats funny, cause Mc Donald's and other fast-food restaurants cut down rain forest for cow grazing land. I don't eat anything that was grown in a rain forest, most of the fruits and veggies I eat were grown in or near Colorado.



Actually, they are raised so closely together that they over-populate already, so they must be "destroyed". If humans did not breed cows, chickens, etc. they would not overpopulate. If you want an example, I will find one on the internet, but I am positive they would not overpopulate like the human race has.

Also, I am not sure what purpose any animal on earth has, including humans. That is the ancient question, "why are we here?" I do not think that animals are here for our pleasure and our abuse.

cows and possibly chickens would still over populate if nobody ate their flesh. As people would still raise cows for dairy products and chickens for their eggs.
Humans need some protein, calcium etc and the whole world living by veganism would be rediculous.
It is still possible they would overpopulate because they would live in the wild in groups. And with nobody killing them eventually they would overpopulate. There is no longer that much space on the earth for them to just go without masses of animals mating because there wouldnt be that many of them. Just look how it is for birds and rats etc, they live without being bred by humans, but you are never 6 feet away from a rat, and have you ever gone a day without seeing a single bird?
If that became the case with pigs, cows etc then it would be rediculous and they are such big animals they would be overpopulated, as there would not be enough places for their habitats.
But also, they could possibly go to a different extreme and become extinct or in danger of it. Think about it. There are hardly any "big" wild animals around now, and some are very rare.
Just look at pandas and tigers etc. And its not often you see many wolves or deer around is it? Unless you go to a special habitat for them. You do not see them every day.
So we are also doing them a favour by looking after them so they do not become extinct or under populated.

Also, think about it, with our world being so completely run by humans, then it would be impossible for them to live without human interferance, and possibly without humans looking after them, they could die as they would not be able to live with modern things and complete human habitats and industrialisation.

Plus, if you think about it in another way, people have been eating meat since the beginning of man. By now, cows, chickens and pigs may not be able to live by their own ways, and look after themselves, as they have evolved and become dependant on humans.

So, in conclusion, if the world did suddenly become vegetarian or vegan, then it would not be good for the animals anyway.

[Lemmiwinks]

^sorry, but I have to disagree. Animals could not naturally overpopulate more than they already do when raised in such close confinements. It is impossible.

"In the United States and around the world, overgrazing leads to the extinction of indigenous plant and animal species, soil erosion, and eventual desertification that renders once-fertile land barren. Livestock grazing is the number one cause of threatened and extinct species both in the United States and in other parts of the world.

In the past 50 years, fishers have exterminated 90 percent of large fish populations.16
Vast tracts of land are needed to grow crops to feed the billions of animals we raise for food each year. Of all the agricultural land in the U.S., nearly 80 percent is used in some way to raise animals—that's roughly half of the total land mass of the U.S. More than 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to create cropland to grow grain to feed farmed animals.

The U.S. certainly isn't alone in its misuse of land for animal agriculture. As the world's appetite for meat increases, countries across the globe are bulldozing huge swaths of land to make more room for animals and the crops to feed them. From tropical rain forests in Brazil to ancient pine forests in China, entire ecosystems are being destroyed to fuel our addiction to meat. According to scientists at the Smithsonian Institute, the equivalent of seven football fields of land is bulldozed every minute to create more room for farmed animals.

It takes up to 22 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of meat. Raising animals for food is grossly inefficient, because while animals eat large quantities of grain, they only produce small amounts of meat, dairy products, or eggs in return. This is why more than 70 percent of the grain and cereals that we grow in this country are fed to farmed animals. It takes up to 22 pounds of grain to produce just one pound of meat, and even fish on fish farms (http://www.fishinghurts.com/FishFarms.asp) must be fed 5 pounds of wild-caught fish to produce one pound of farmed fish flesh.

The world's cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people—more than the entire human population on Earth. About 20 percent of the world's population, or 1.4 billion people, could be fed with the grain and soybeans fed to U.S. cattle alone."

"Caring for the environment means protecting all of our planet's inhabitants. Animals on modern factory farms are deprived of everything that is natural to them, and they are treated in ways that would warrant felony cruelty-to-animals charges if the victims were dogs or cats. Chickens' beaks are sliced off with a hot blade, pigs' tails are chopped off and their teeth clipped with pliers, and male cows and pigs are castrated, all without any pain relief. The animals are confined to crowded, filthy warehouses and dosed with powerful drugs to make them grow so quickly that their hearts and limbs often cannot keep up—they frequently become crippled or suffer from heart attacks when they're only a few weeks old. Finally, at the slaughterhouse, they are hung upside-down and their throats are slit, often while they are still conscious."
^ And this is good for the animals?

[Lemmiwinks]

There would be plenty of room on Earth if it was not being taken over by the meat industry.

Before animals were raised for meat, they lived perfectly fine alone in the wild. I am sure, since they have almost no human contact (except when they are ready to be slaughtered), they would do just fine without humans. There was a time in history when they were not raised by humans.

[Pearson]

You've been brought up to believe your right and will continue to do so. Correct me if im wrong but did you say you'd never eaten meat?

[-Snake-]

My mums a vegi, and I was till i was 11 then i started to eat meat and put on 2 stone in 4 months... Damn you carbs...

[~*aussie_gal~*]

woooah...i am a vegiterian (i only dont eat red meat) im not a full hippie about it i mainly dont eat it cause i dont like it...but yes i know that some animals are here for us to eat but common were eating so much of it...we have to shove hormones in chicken to make them grow faster so they can be killed they have chicken just after a few weeks making eggs...i just want an animal to live a life...we are animals too but when someone gets eaten by a shark we go agro... we take it for granted...

[Lemmiwinks]

You've been brought up to believe your right and will continue to do so. Correct me if im wrong but did you say you'd never eaten meat?

I don't understand your reasoning. Yes, my mother, father, brother, and sister are all vegetarians. My mother and father are also very, very religious. I am not. They hate gays. I don't. It just so happened that I believe in one thing my parents do, and that is not eating meat. I am certainly not a clone of them, I have my own opinions on whats right and wrong.

They actually didn't become vegetarians until they moved to this country. That was about 15 years ago. My parents were not some hippies that smoked pot and went to animal rights protests. They just learned about the horrible things that happen to animals on farms, and decided to stop eating meat. It is true, I was raised to not eat meat, but I was never brainwashed or forced to do it, my parents let me make my own decisions.

Btw, my parents are from Ukraine, well actually my mom is from Russia, but just a few miles outside of Ukraine. They eat bunnies in stews as a tradition, and my parents have eaten it too.


*Please try an use the edit button lemmi, saves me havin to merge em lol*
--Bob--

[Pearson]

Yer, Im not sayintg you was brainwashed. Just that you was brought up to not eat meat. Hating gays and being very religious is something that was probably very big when your mum and dad was being brought up and from were they lived, however in this day and age it is not. Being a vegetarian is an easier thing to cling on to than hating gays, maybe not so religion, but if you never liked it then your not going to want to be religious. If you'v never eaten meat and youv heard all the bad stuff around it then your not going to want to become a meat eater. However for some one that actually has eaten meat and knows how nice it is they will take less consideration to what happens to animals, and although that sounds cruel you have to realise thats all they are; animals.

Im not saying your wrong but I personaly do try most stuff before making my decision on it.



Btw, my parents are from Ukraine, well actually my mom is from Russia, but just a few miles outside of Ukraine. They eat bunnies in stews as a tradition, and my parents have eaten it too.

And maybe thats why your parents became veggies, hardly sounds like an apertising dish does it

[Mamfy]

I have eaten meat for over half of my life so I know what it's like.

I just chose to stop because of the foot and mouth period.

[Pearson]

I have eaten meat for over half of my life so I know what it's like.

I just chose to stop because of the foot and mouth period.

But why though?

[Mamfy]

BEcause when it was foot and mouth, I didn't know what was in the meat and the burning of animals put me off so I stopped then, and I havce been a veggie ever since.

I am a lot healthier than I evr used to be when I ate meat and I don't have any iron problems or protein problems because I have been checked.

I don't mind being aveggie, it is my choice. I wouldn't ever make someone be aveggie, just like I wouldn't want anyone to make me eat meat.

[CraigYohn!]

If we dont control the growth of animals, well....you might as well bring every animal under the sun right into your living room, an sleep with them too.

Plus cow and pigs asse's produce more methane in a day, than you do in a week, so the more animals there are?

The quicker we're going under water.

this has to be the stupidest topic ever, science ^ eat or die tbh.

[Guest]

im not vegetarian but i dont really eat meat

[Ben]

And my point, that I actually never raised but should have done, has been confirmed. There are many people like you, you've been brought up to belive these stupid things that you can actually change the world buy not eating meat. Well thats ridicoulous, you should try thinking for your self and eat meat. It will taste nice and you will enjoy it.

well said! O_O

[Sammi]

I don't eat meat because I care about animals and I don't like the taste, not because I want to change the world. That's crap. No veggie can change the world, not unless the whole world becomes veggie, which is highly unlikely.

[Lindsay]

i don't eat meat. not because i'm an big animal rights person, i'm just put off by it. and i guess i'm somewhat of a vegan because i can't drink milk. But i eat eggs so i guess not. But eggs is about all i can eat. and lettuce i guess.

a couple of nights ago while i was somewhat inebriated, my friend convied me to eat some of his hamburger and i felt so ill the next day it was awful. and it most definatly not a hangover. I guess it reminded my why i don't eat meat in the frist place.

[gprime]

I said not bothered, as I don't eat fish and meat for taste reasons. I've tried both, and not enjoyed either with the exception of the ocassional good piece of Glaat meat, which being unavailable here, leaves me without any worth eating. The moral argument, as far as I'm concerned, is bull. Its called the food chain. Humans are on top, and thus can eat what they wish. Animals eat one another. And since humans are indeed animals, it shouldn't be any different for us.

[KathyN]

I wanted to be a vegetarian but I am not sure whether it's healthy or not, you can't get all the vitamins and the vital elements from vegatables, and I'm not sure if milk and eggs helps...

I eat everything but I don't really like meat, I eat meat once a week or sometimes twice.

[KathyN]

a couple of nights ago while i was somewhat inebriated, my friend convied me to eat some of his hamburger and i felt so ill the next day it was awful. and it most definatly not a hangover. I guess it reminded my why i don't eat meat in the frist place.

Maybe you don't have the enzymes to digest meat and milk... milk I guess it because of the age and meat.. weird....

[Bite-me]

Im not really a vegertarian but i dont really like eating much meat.

[PsychoCola]

Hello, everyone! I'm that one user who checked the "vegan" box. I became vegan about six months ago. Uh... any questions?

[Leon]

Hello, everyone! I'm that one user who checked the "vegan" box. I became vegan about six months ago. Uh... any questions?

i could never do that, what do you eat in a normal day?
do you not have milk or anything like that that comes from animals?

[punk-rocker]

eat wt enjoy :D

[Guest]

i could never do that, what do you eat in a normal day?
do you not have milk or anything like that that comes from animals?

To answer your second question, no milk, no milk products, no eggs, no honey, nothing from animals whatsoever :)

And as for what I eat... you know, just what everyone else eats, only without the meat and dairy and such.

I do drink soy milk, and I apparently I'm lucky enough to be one of the few people in the world that actually likes it. When I crave delicious buttery goodness, I use non-hydrogenated margarine (the kind without trans fat). For when I crave fatty frozen desserts, there's soy ice cream. The only thing thing that can't easily be replaced is cheese... and I must admit, I do miss it a little. All in all, though, I don't eat much "fake" dairy.

As for eggs, I never liked them anyway.

I'd like to say right now that I like vegetables just as little as everyone else.

I eat a lot of fruit. I also like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches... on whole wheat bread, of course! White bread is yucky! Oh, and I must mention: Hummus. Hummus hummus hummus. Anyway, I obviously couldn't list everything I eat, so I'm just listing a few of my staples.

I eat fake meat sometimes, but not much.

When I eat out, I can usually find something, but if I can't, I just order some fries or a salad or something and hold out until I can get

And as for vitamin B12, I take a supplement, in case anybody's out there wondering. I don't see supplements as being different from eating fortified milk or enriched flour (white bread).

So yeah, I don't eat much differently from the average vegetarian.

Also, just thought I'd say (to the guy I quoted), anyone could be a vegan. You just choose not to. Not that that's bad. Just saying.

[PsychoCola]

i could never do that, what do you eat in a normal day?
do you not have milk or anything like that that comes from animals?

To answer your second question, no milk, no milk products, no eggs, no honey, nothing from animals whatsoever :)

And as for what I eat... you know, just what everyone else eats, only without the meat and dairy and such.

I do drink soy milk, and I apparently I'm lucky enough to be one of the few people in the world that actually likes it. When I crave delicious buttery goodness, I use non-hydrogenated margarine (the kind without trans fat). For when I crave fatty frozen desserts, there's soy ice cream. The only thing thing that can't easily be replaced is cheese... and I must admit, I do miss it a little. All in all, though, I don't eat much "fake" dairy.

As for eggs, I never liked them anyway.

I'd like to say right now that I like vegetables just as little as everyone else.

I eat a lot of fruit. I also like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches... on whole wheat bread, of course! White bread is yucky! Oh, and I must mention: Hummus. Hummus hummus hummus. Anyway, I obviously couldn't list everything I eat, so I'm just listing a few of my staples.

I eat fake meat sometimes, but not much.

When I eat out, I can usually find something, but if I can't, I just order some fries or a salad or something and hold out until I can get

And as for vitamin B12, I take a supplement, in case anybody's out there wondering. I don't see supplements as being different from eating fortified milk or enriched flour (white bread).

So yeah, I don't eat much differently from the average vegetarian.

Also, just thought I'd say (to the guy I quoted), anyone could be a vegan. You just choose not to. Not that that's bad. Just saying.

[Leon]

i've just always been brought up eating meat n dairy products so i guess i just am used to it, i guess you are lucky you like soy, i just asked cos i wasn't too sure how you replaced everything like milk

i guess you eat what you enjoy, apart from cheese maybe

[PsychoCola]

Oops, sorry for the double post :hmmm:

Thanks for being so understanding!

[clueless]

I'm not a vegetarian.

Just out of interest- would vegetarians and vegans resort to eating meat if there was no other alternative available? (i guess i'm directing my question more at those who don't eat meat because they feel for the animals).

[Bebot]

Alright look here you, these animals are bred to be eaten. Animals in the wild eat other animals, so why can't we? According to you, it's perfectly alright if animals are killed as they would be in the wild, but just because we perfected this normal occurance through domesticating animals and raising them to be eaten, we are evil? You just like to think of yourself as being better than others because you "care for the animals". It is very childish and immature. The world works how it works, you can accept that or live in your little fantasy world. You just don't realise the consequences of your actions. You risk upsetting the natural order of things.

Grow up.
whoa....chill...

[Hello-Cunty]

I've been a vegetarian for almost two years. Learning about the meat industry inspired me. People don't realize just how much suffering their steak dinner went through before ending up on their plate. Also, eating processed meat is dangerous. Organic beef, poultry, and fish are much better, and the killing methods are far more humane, though I wouldn't eat it because I just love animals. I would probably vomit.

[Leon]

Oops, sorry for the double post

Thanks for being so understanding!

thanks for educating me on vegans:D

[Guest3]

KathyN- of course you can be perfectly healthy on a vegetarian or vegan diet! in fact... if done properly, it's healthier than the usual omnivorous diet. (oh... and yeah, I'm a vegetarian)
and in response to the question if i would eat meat if it were the only thing available?
first of all.... tell me when on earth that would EVER happen! And second of all... if there's something meaty... then what's it living on? probably edible plants which i could then eat... eating meat is not a very efficient way to get energy. It's much more efficient to eat grass.
"i've just always been brought up eating meat n dairy products so i guess i just am used to it, i guess you are lucky you like soy, i just asked cos i wasn't too sure how you replaced everything like milk" -leon25
so was I, but then i learned about all the stuff... and i said 'hey, that's it... family-deal with it' and so they did.
as for dairy replacement... you don't really have to replace it at all... like I haven't had a glass of milk in years (though I'm a lacto-ovo veg still), but I don't drink soy much at all... I can get all my vitamins and minerals from plant sources that didn't have to be tortured before it got on my plate.

[[x.krishnaa.x]]

I'm a vegeterian, but definitely not vegan. I don't take meat, eggs, fish, gelatin, etc., but I do take dairy products. I'm near vegan in the fact that I don't use leather, soaps that contain animal fats, the like -- or as close as you can get, living in the U.S. -- but I have no problem drinking milk.

[Gatita]

I am not vegan either vegetarian... I eat all kind of food but my favourite are pasta and meat

[Nirvana_rox]

im vegitarian and don't have anything lether and don't eat gelatine.

i think it's wrong to kill something when you don't need to kill it just for you to eat.
what's the point?