Parents of Madeleine McCann guilty or not?

[PrincessAlice]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983604.stm

What do you think on the matter?

I think its all abit dodgy. I do believe that they have had some part in it.

[Leon]

Yep, I think they've done whatever's been done.

[nyx]

I find it all really strange it has to be said. If they did do something why are they the ones kicking up a huge fuss about it? You could argue that its like a big bluff. but still its them driving it in the media, if they didn't do that so much I doubt the case would be so huge.

I'm not saying they're not guilty, because anyone who kidnaps their own child and possibly kills them, isn't right in the head anyway so the logic of not making a big fuss isn't there.

Either way to me they're still guilty for leaving ther kids alone in a foreign country.

[Leon]

As I've said before in the original thread about her disappearance, Madeleine. (http://www.teenageforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14720)
It's all too suspicious and acted upon poorly, and to be honest I'm pretty sick of it now, as I was last month, and the month before that, nobody cares any more so why do I have to see it on tv and paper fronts every day.

They questioned her mother for 11 hours yesterday and have now named her a suspect haven't they, about fucking time.
Why it's taken 4 months or whatever to question them fuck knows. I'd have done it instantly.


Either way to me they're still guilty for leaving ther kids alone in a foreign country.Exactly, ok even if they didn't do it, which is looking less likely every day, then it's their own fucking fault.

I hate things like this that get so much attention when it's the person's own fault, if it's their own fault then they don't deserve the attention. Like if you hear a kid who gets shot messing about with his mates, it's their own fault they had guns in the first place and knew what they were capable of, so why should people care and make it a sob story. (And no that wasn't aimed at the Liverpool schoolboy Rhys I think his name is as that wasn't like that, that was different, incase anybody was thinking that).

[PrincessAlice]

aswel to add i still find it dodgy why they left the patio doors open..... and aswel how they didnt us the babysitting service

my guess is they must have done something to her because surely they would have taken the otherkids the people who took her

[Kate]

I was having this discussion in the car with the mother this morning.
I don't care whether she did it or not, either way, i wish it would bloody stop getting in the papers or on TV.

[Kate]

As I've said before in the original thread about her disappearance, Madeleine. (http://www.teenageforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14720)
It's all too suspicious and acted upon poorly, and to be honest I'm pretty sick of it now, as I was last month, and the month before that, nobody cares any more so why do I have to see it on tv and paper fronts every day.

They questioned her mother for 11 hours yesterday and have now named her a suspect haven't they, about fucking time.
Why it's taken 4 months or whatever to question them fuck knows. I'd have done it instantly.

Exactly, ok even if they didn't do it, which is looking less likely every day, then it's their own fucking fault.

I hate things like this that get so much attention when it's the person's own fault, if it's their own fault then they don't deserve the attention. Like if you hear a kid who gets shot messing about with his mates, it's their own fault they had guns in the first place and knew what they were capable of, so why should people care and make it a sob story. (And no that wasn't aimed at the Liverpool schoolboy Rhys I think his name is as that wasn't like that, that was different, incase anybody was thinking that).

Exactly!!

[nyx]

As I've said before in the original thread about her disappearance, Madeleine. (http://www.teenageforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14720)
It's all too suspicious and acted upon poorly, and to be honest I'm pretty sick of it now, as I was last month, and the month before that, nobody cares any more so why do I have to see it on tv and paper fronts every day.

They questioned her mother for 11 hours yesterday and have now named her a suspect haven't they, about fucking time.
Why it's taken 4 months or whatever to question them fuck knows. I'd have done it instantly.

Exactly, ok even if they didn't do it, which is looking less likely every day, then it's their own fucking fault.

I hate things like this that get so much attention when it's the person's own fault, if it's their own fault then they don't deserve the attention. Like if you hear a kid who gets shot messing about with his mates, it's their own fault they had guns in the first place and knew what they were capable of, so why should people care and make it a sob story. (And no that wasn't aimed at the Liverpool schoolboy Rhys I think his name is as that wasn't like that, that was different, incase anybody was thinking that).



This was nearly exactly what I was gonna write. But I was too scared as a noob of getting flamed!

[Leon]

Well no really, they were fine weren't they, as they said at first they were sat with a view of the door. So clearly there's enough valid reason to leave 3 children, one of which being a baby, alone in a flat in a foreign country.

I wouldn't even leave my passport alone in a room that cleaners have a key to get into, never mind 3 fucking children. Whatever happens the parents are wankers who don't deserve children.

Until a week later they revealed that infact they were sat down by the pool about 30 metres away with the apartment door sitting 10 metres higher on a balcony, and they could only see the apartment and not the front door of it, and it was only reachable by going out of sight of the door to climb the stairs round the corner.

Idiots.

[Leon]

This was nearly exactly what I was gonna write. But I was too scared as a noob of getting flamed!Oh please don't be, as we all think the same, and as long as you're not just new and having a dig at someone on here, your opinions are all welcome.


aswel to add i still find it dodgy why they left the patio doors open..... and aswel how they didnt us the babysitting service

my guess is they must have done something to her because surely they would have taken the otherkids the people who took herYeah that's another thing, how come they took the young girl that could have cried and kicked and screamed rather than the quiet asleep baby who could have easily been quitened.

[nyx]

Don't worry I don't intend to 'have a dig' at anyone. I've just seen noobs get flamed for much less.

Anyway back on topic, I just spoke to my mum about this. Apparently cases like this which are branded around in the media, where they have press conferences with the parents etc. tend to be the cases where one of the parents are guilty. And the quieter cases are the one where its an outside suspect. So that goes all gainst what i said. Hey what can I say, maybe I'm just not likely to ever kidnap/murder my own kid?

[PrincessAlice]

never know they could have killed her by accident
got somebody to take the body away while they were at the meal

then made up she had been taken to cover they're tracks plus made a bit of profit

:p just a guess of course

[lucille]

God I don't even care I just looked at that photo of the kid on that article and couldn't help but wonder what she must have endured, I couldn't care less about the parents or suspects I just feel sorry for that poor little girl.

[nyx]

never know they could have killed her by accident
got somebody to take the body away while they were at the meal

then made up she had been taken to cover they're tracks plus made a bit of profit

:p just a guess of course

I just watched the news and it said that is is a possibilty that it was accidental death at the hands of the parents.

[PrincessAlice]

:S how confussing maybe my theory is right

[Leon]

never know they could have killed her by accident
got somebody to take the body away while they were at the meal

then made up she had been taken to cover they're tracks plus made a bit of profit

:p just a guess of courseIf they have done, then that's completely sick, they want locking up and being starved of everything and dying a slow painful death.

[Blue_boi]

I'm not really sure, i mean the papers have been saying a lot of random stuff lately and a lot of it has turned out to be false i mean with all the false sightings of Madeleine etc.

I think its just a big far fetched that the mother did it, it don't seem right to me, i mean ok i know there are some rather strange things that happen out there with moms killing new born babies and that kinda thing but they get caught out easily, i just don't see why it would take this long to find evidence of her mom being the killer and now and only now the police are acting on it. Its too far fetched for me!

They were adiment that the other guy who lives near the hotel did it, but after a while there not so sure you know what i mean.

I think Madeleine was taken by Gypo's and sold on to a family who can't have there own kids. There normally sold to order and so an exit plan would have been ready, they could have been out the country within an hour.

She is probably out there somewhere loveing her new life and having parents that are looking after her like there own. There also probably rich, so she will be spoilt. Her own parents left her in a hotel room come on thats just plain stupid! They obviously didnt care all that much about there safety!

[Leon]

I'm not really sure, i mean the papers have been saying a lot of random stuff lately and a lot of it has turned out to be false i mean with all the false sightings of Madeleine etc.

I think its just a big far fetched that the mother did it, it don't seem right to me, i mean ok i know there are some rather strange things that happen out there with moms killing new born babies and that kinda thing but they get caught out easily, i just don't see why it would take this long to find evidence of her mom being the killer and now and only now the police are acting on it. Its too far fetched for me!Papers talk bullshit about anything.

I don't see in the same way how it's taken this long to find evidence that it's anybody else either, cos at the minute they have fuck all.

[Blue_boi]

Papers talk bullshit about anything.

I don't see in the same way how it's taken this long to find evidence that it's anybody else either, cos at the minute they have fuck all.


EXACTLY!

[Leon]

You just agreed with me huh, so really you just backed up my point that its still just as dodgy that it could have been anyone else rather than the parents, going against what you just said in your previous post.

[PrincessAlice]

well they can't provide any evidence until they find her corpse.

oh and now shes saying shes been framed by the police

i don't believe there is a chance of her still being alive that sounds like a story you'd tell children that shes prob out there with a new life and enjoying it

[Leon]

I found it quite disturbing when they came out and said they'd rather find out she was dead than have to live without knowing where she is, surely you'd want your own kid to live, even if not with you.

I feel sorry for their other kids that are just being dragged about left, right and centre, I don't think they're old enough to quite know what's going on which is lucky for the parents cos they can get away with messing about here n there. But really those kids need to go home and setlle back down into their normal life and routine, and the parents don't seem to realise that. Again showing how much their kids mean to them.

[PrincessAlice]

i don't think they see that they have 3 children you'd have thought they'd be making the most of the children which they have left instead of going to see the fucking pope and going to the white house i mean what help has that been???? what the hell can the president do?!?!?! its not even the same country surpised they haven't tried to go see the queen and get knighted while they're at it

aswel i don't understand what donations have got to do with finding her i think its a big effort to get money (murder your kid + media = free money)

[Leon]

My thoughts exactly as soon as they said they're going to see the pope.

Yeah cos the pope stole your kid?

[PrincessAlice]

SHES UNDER THE POPES HAT..... omg why did we not think of that before

[Leon]

She just so happened to be passing through Italy with her new family when she wanted to do a bit of sightseeing around the vatican.

[PrincessAlice]

then he snatched her and shes been under his hat since then.......

i think we solved the mystery

[Leon]

I think we did, FBI here we come.

Either that or she spontaneously combusted.

[adam_smith]

i thought all through this investigation tht something smelled kinda funny now
wht self respecting mother and father would ever leave a child in a house without supervision it just dosnt happen wht makes it worse is tht it was abroad when it happend so if u were a pearent on hoilday with ur young family wouldnt u want to make sure they were safe evey second of the day i know i would even if i was still on the complex or hotel i just hope this case is solved so maddies killer can be found and jailed for life

[Kate]

I just want her to stop getting all this media attention.
So many fucking kids go missing every year, why should some neglected 4 year old get all this attention.

Nobody cares, its not front page fucking news!

[Leon]

I said this about 4 months ago, I still feel the same way.

[Kate]

It's fucking stupid.
I hope her parents did do it, and their names get dragged through the mud, because the sooner the people who did it get caught, no longer shall i have to listen to this constant whinging about some 4 year old rich white girl going missing.
Her parents are incompentant, anyway, so if this little girl is dead, i hope she died peacefully and painlessly, because i feel very sorry for her for having such retarded parents.

[Leon]

Same here.

[Dani_x]

i think them going to see the pope and to the white house and that, was just to get more publicity. iv said since i first saw it in the news paper that it was the parents that had done it. they should have been the first to be questioned but if it was them there must be someone else involved.

[*Jess*]

It seems so unlikely any parent who seems as caring and devoted to their children as the McCann's make themselves seem to be would leave them alone in their room, most parents with three small children would be obsessively looking after them especially when they are made out to be the type of "perfect", "loving" parents.

Tbh that should be used against them. Also, if someone came in through the balcony, which is what i heard they said they did, dont you think someone would have noticed, seeing as it was a holiday resort and especially seeing as the parents were only across the road?
Just seems unlikely to me.

I never liked the parents, not only did it bother me they got so much fucking media attention, they also seemed really bitter and sour somehow, really ungenuine, not nice people at all.

I hate how its on the front page of every bloody newspaper, as if it is the most important thing in the world. And how its plastered around every bloody shop in every country, as if we should care more about this little girl who went missing through the fault of her parents rather than these little children who are literally swiped from the arms of their parents and abused, often killed.

I also hate how they make every little kid in this sort of case which is followed by the media seem to be the worlds most perfect angel, when if its some sort of other case, such as a teenage one its always "they're doing it to upset their parents/for attention/because they're an arsehole/because they're on drugs" etc, when more often than not its them being under depression. Little kids (When I say this, i mean under 12's) can be annoying brats too, they're not always perfect. This isn't just speaking from the Madeleine case, its whenever anything like this happens to a child. An instance would be with that Rhys guy, don't get me wrong, it was terrible what happened to him, but they made him out to be the best guy in the world, and even said "the most popular lad in school" and made it seem like he was this prime example of good youth and butter wouldn't melt in his mouth to make it seem like everyone else is the bad guys, and the good one gets killed, when it probably wasn't always like that at all.

[SecretPossesion]

well , ther both doctors so they cud prescribe anything in one of the papers it sed her parents were sick of seein her face in the paper all the time or mayb wz tht cz they were sick of seein there child they killed??

[^*^*stacey*^*^]

im sorry but i really dont give a sh*t about it it there fault anyway you dont go on holiday to live your kids in a room alone with the bed room unlocked the only person i feel for is that poor child what the hell she much be going throw or gone throw its a a difficult think i worry and feel sorry of mad but no her mum and dad!!!

[PrincessAlice]

the mother washed the teddy which was madeleines just after she went missing you wouldn't do that if your child had gone missing you'd want to keep the smell

[^*^*stacey*^*^]

hmmm ye see somthink dont add up for me!!!!

[Leon]

Rep+ Jess, totally agree as you've seen in my posts.

[VraiCanon]

I think they're guilty.
It's just too suspicious and tbh I've thought they were guilty after all the media attention. They've milked it in my opinion :\
All that money, all that travelling, and to see the Pope. Eh?!
Millions of children go missing every day and it pissed me off that Madeleine got so much attention from the media, I even saw her photos in Manchester Airport when I went on holiday :\ its just like, what about all the other millions of children? And tbh if it was a working family's child nobody would give a shit. Thats what pissed me off about it all.
So they're FINALLY suspects, about time!
Even if they aren't guilty of murder, they're still guilty of neglect & will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
They're being too fake for the papers, i mean COME ON who would leave 3 children especially when theres a babysitting service :\
Personally I think they killed Madeleine by accident, and are using all the innocent act because they don't want to face up to it or confess, they won't be able to hand themselves in now because of all the media coverage... So the lies will continue.
Well, innocent till proven guilty & all that jazz but liars always get caught out, and the truth will arise soon enough.

The media are just pathetic though with all the coverage.

[Leon]

Agreed again, glad everyone's swinging towards the opinion I had a few months back :)

[nyx]

I always felt that way. Right from when they started making it a big deal. People called me insensitive, but now look whats happening.

[Leon]

I always felt that way. Right from when they started making it a big deal. People called me insensitive, but now look whats happening.Same here, people had a go at me and said why am I blaming the parents entirely and that me thinking it was all suspicious was stupid 'of course they didn't do it, why would they do something to their kid' was what I got all the time. Look at it now.

[Nintendus]

I'd already previously mentioned that the media and public attention was over the top (just as it was with Diana, both at the time of her death and afterwards tbh), as I'd made a thread on it.

The parents always seemed slightly wrong to me. They go out jogging regulary, and the mother always has her hair done perfectly, and wears co-ordianted outfits and nice clothes. It doesn't fit in with the idea of people grieving as much as they are meant to be. Plus as Jess has said, no parents would leave three children like that. Speaking from the viewpoint of someone with two brothers, my parents would never have left us all alone like that at that age. Plus they've come home now, and that can be intepreted in many ways. They've been claims it was too returnt he twins to normality, but they could have done that any time before they became susepcts. It seems to me they are just trying to get the hell out of the Portugese legal system while they can.

[Leon]

I agree with all of that.

[orly]

Have they even found her yet?

[PrincessAlice]

nope they havent found her but they have found blood in the parents hire car which they hired 25days after she went missing... they'd sworen that she'd never been in the car

[orly]

I don't know. It's too much like JonBonet Ramsey (I don't know how to spell her name).

[PrincessAlice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey)

[I Am Jake]

To be fair, I was quite disgusted in it from the start. People were making Bebo skins and videos and that, to get popular. They have got a huge amount of money from this, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was for the money.. They could have even sold her off, then couldn't explain to relatives where she'd gone, and it got out of hand a little. On the other hand, what kind of sick person could do that?

Swings in roundabouts, but this is way too commercialised to be a straight forward case.

[VraiCanon]

I have other points to make on this case.
Statistics and history show that child abduction by strangers from inside a property is EXTREMELY rare across the world. In the vast majority of cases, harm done to children comes from the hands of parents, carers & people within the family.
Also, the last people who are reported see'ing someone alive should definitely be suspects & are definitely worth looking at. Child abduction would be extremely difficult in Praia da Luz as it is a very touristy area. Also, if you look at examples of cases of child abduction from the media you will see that the majority have not been abducted from a house/apartment etc. e.g. Sarah Payne was abducted from a country lane. Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman went missing in a rural location.

The McCanns had not been in Portugal for long; so how would an abductor have had time to establish a pattern to exploit? i.e. the McCanns daily routine whilst on holiday. TO go in, find the children, seize one & then get out would be a very significant period where you would be surrounded by occupied properties, surely? If someone entered the apartment they were taking a MASSIVE risk of being caught because the parents could have come in at any time.

Why did the McCans refuse to answer 40 questions? This is ridiculous. Surely if they are not guilty, they would be able to answer all questions with ease. Some may say this is because of grief/still in shock etc but if the McCans really wanted to try their hardest to find their daughter&prove their innocence, they would be able to answer the questions as thoroughly(sp) as possible.

People do very illogical & extraordinary things.
If they McCans are guilty, it actualy sickens me, not only because they murdered their own daughter, but because of all the lies & they lied to the POPE.

There are many possible explanations, I just hope this investigation is brought to an end sometime soon & the guilty get what they deserve.

[Blue_boi]

You just agreed with me huh, so really you just backed up my point that its still just as dodgy that it could have been anyone else rather than the parents, going against what you just said in your previous post.


To be honest i wouldnt care even if you were a family member of Madeleine McCann, im allowed my opinion and i agree with it. In all fareness i really don't think they are going to find her, they should be slightly greatful that they havn't found a body yet. It means theres possibly less chance that there is a dead body if you get me.

[*Jess*]

To be honest i wouldnt care even if you were a family member of Madeleine McCann, im allowed my opinion and i agree with it. In all fareness i really don't think they are going to find her, they should be slightly greatful that they havn't found a body yet. It means theres possibly less chance that there is a dead body if you get me.

No it doesn't.
The fact they haven'tfound her alive means there is more chance of finding a dead body.

[Leon]

To be honest i wouldnt care even if you were a family member of Madeleine McCann, im allowed my opinion and i agree with it. In all fareness i really don't think they are going to find her, they should be slightly greatful that they havn't found a body yet. It means theres possibly less chance that there is a dead body if you get me.What?
All I said was you said something that disagreed with me then said something that agreed with me so I was surprised. Did I say you weren't entitled to an opinion, no. Why get personal by saying what if I was a member of her family, is there any need for that. And no it means there's more chance of finding a dead body actually.

Idiot.

[Kate]

Tbh, i really don't care anymore. I just hope they find her alive, beaten round a bit, so the parents get put away and Madeline gets adopted by a nice loving family with her twin siblings.

[tramp]

It's things like this that make me feel you should have to qualify to be a parent. I know that would be just about impossible for the government to do, but it still seems necessary.

[orly]

Do you think she's dead?


Hmmmmm.:hmmm:

[*Jess*]

It's things like this that make me feel you should have to qualify to be a parent. I know that would be just about impossible for the government to do, but it still seems necessary.

I think thats quite unneccessary. It would also mean that there would have to be many abortions, which is actually more lives down the toilet, and a smaller population etc etc.
People kill people like this all the time, its not like its unusual, its just how it is.

[xstephanie2k7x]

I personaally think that they had SOME part in the matter both of them not just the Mum because when the Mom left her husband to check on the kiids do you know how long it takes to kill a child, wrap her up, drive her someplace and dump her body.....come on people you're not telling me that all that time the Father of Madeleine was just waiting there in the restaurant wondering "Hmmm, i wonder why she's gone for so loong?" http://i16.tinypic.com/67pgvb9.gif

[LiiL-H]

not Guilty .

[fraggled]

Good thing we don't rely on you for the common sense decisions of the world.

[Jekyll-Hyde]

Rofl!