What is knowledge?

[orly]

This isn't an "OMG LETZ L00K DiS UP 0N DiCTiONARYD0TC0M & S0UND UBER SMART YAZ" thread. I want to know what you think knowledge is. I was discussing this on another website and it got pretty interesting.

It's in the Debates, Politics & Religion category so if you don't agree with someone argue. :] DEBATE.


Discuss.

[fraggled]

You have clearly proven what Lack of Knowledge is by improperly starting an organized debate.

[Fez]

lol, definetly not devil :p

definition of smart: moi, of course :rolleyes:
someone whos very knowlegable (knows alot) on almost eveyr topic.

[Leon]

definition of smart: moi, of course :rolleyes:
someone whos very knowlegable (knows alot) on almost eveyr topic. Apart from spelling, as you spelt knowledgable wrong, ironically.


This isn't an "OMG LETZ L00K DiS UP 0N DiCTiONARYD0TC0M & S0UND UBER SMART YAZ" thread.Well how about seeing this debate at the minute is a bit lacking in a stated comment to agree or disagree with, I'll look up what knowledge is defined as on www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) and see if you agree with it, and if not, then debate it.

Knowledge:

1.acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition: knowledge of many things.
2.familiarity or conversance, as with a particular subject or branch of learning: A knowledge of accounting was necessary for the job.
3.acquaintance or familiarity gained by sight, experience, or report: a knowledge of human nature.
4.the fact or state of knowing; the perception of fact or truth; clear and certain mental apprehension.
5.awareness, as of a fact or circumstance: He had knowledge of her good fortune.
6.something that is or may be known; information: He sought knowledge of her activities.
7.the body of truths or facts accumulated in the course of time.
8.the sum of what is known: Knowledge of the true situation is limited.

[orly]

But is what you know really what you know? You can be aware that you're fat, but is that knowledge? Somebody else would say you aren't. Who is right? Which is the correct knowledge?

[Leon]

Neither is knowledge, they are opinions, knowledge is knowing facts, being fat isn't a fact it's an opinion based thing.
Knowledge is knowing you wear large sized clothes, whether you're fat or not is a debatable issue as there is no given amount where someone becomes 'fat' so therefore it isn't knowledge.

[fraggled]

How can you go and say, "knowing you're fat" is an opinion? It is a fact. Point blank. Thats pure bullshit and false at that. Being fat is not debatable, there are weight categories that you should stay in to be healthy, this isn't opinion, this is FACT. Thats like saying, oh well, because your fat you could get heart disease is an opinion, no its a proven fucking fact.

[Leon]

No it isn't.

[Fez]

Apart from spelling, as you spelt knowledgable wrong, ironically.



Ironically... I meant to do that :rolleys:

"http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2455/kip02ek6.jpg"

[Leon]

Sure you did.

[Pearson]

No it isn't.

Yes it is. Being fat is'nt an opinion, as told devil says there's weight categories.

[Wacko1574]

well ......i thnk knowledge...is when you combine all the facts opinions drawbacks experience...and everything....then you would have the knowledge of something...example in bio: you could study in skool...have experiments...read books..search the web...watch on discovery...hear it from a frnd....then only you have the knowledge of biology.....well thats wut i thnk....*dnt even know y eg of bio i jst hate that subject:(*.....so to make a long story short...knowledge is based on everything...related to something...no matter wut the info was:)

[orly]

So you gain knowledge by experiencing things?

If you know that the south pole is cold but haven't experienced it...can you call that knowledge?

[Wacko1574]

well.......as i said......not only experiences...but searching for facts in different ways....and also other ppl experiences if thats wut u mean

[orly]

So knowledge is what we believe to be right? If that is so, we don't know, only think.

[Wacko1574]

Yo dude.....now i rlly feel stupid........so wut u mean to say that wut u learn...in skool , eviroment TV...books and stuff is not knowledge??..........i mean u keep askin the questions and analyzing our answers........never rlly said where u stand in this debate??:D:D i would rlly lyk to know wut you think of this....since every1 obviously have their own different opinions :/

[orly]

Knowledge is nothing...in the end it is all futile, imo.

[orly]

Yes, if a TV character is gay we are only led to think that. We don't know for sure. Same with a book that is set on a beach...we don't really know.

[Wacko1574]

hayayayayayah....i rlly cnt get where u r tryin to go with this........if a TV character is Gay...doesnt have to be gay...you wont go searching for him ..and ask him "are u gay"....i mean come on....What i believe in is that a human being cannot KNOW abt everything......and it depends on him/her......wut he/she wants to know and from where to know it....*r u gettin me...or am i jst being stupid again :S*

[orly]

Eh, I know what you're saying but like you said we're not going to go looking to see if he is actually gay or not- we're just assuming he is because of what we're told...and that is what I mean.

If that makes it sound any better?

[Wacko1574]

aha actually it does.......well my final decision is :
KNOWLEDGE COMES THROUGH TIME, AND WE ALL CONTINUE TO KNOW...IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS...cuz u cant jst sit there and wait for knowledge to come to u...........i mean dude u cant argue that ......or can u??:/

[orly]

I could but I won't. It's your opinion and I guess I respect that.

[Wacko1574]

well naaaaah dude i respect ur opinon too.......but i thnk it is gettin pretty confusing for my little brain......well u didnt explain ur view of how we gain knowledge...did u??:)

[orly]

Eh. It's confusing even for me. Like I stated early I was on another website and I kinda get it kinda don't.

In my opinion we just learn stuff that we need in the future. Knowledge is futile when it comes down to it.

My opinion isn't that greatly said, but that's the only way I could write it down. :D

[Wacko1574]

WELL SAID......i thnk it was wut i wanted to say.......but instead i jst blabbed and wandered off elsewhere....and made u go to gay actors:P......but dude well said:D:D

[fraggled]

If knowledge was so futile, why did you learn English, and why do you know it? Why do you know what 1+1 is? Why do you know the basic knowledges of life? If it was so futile, they wouldn't have cared to teach you in the first place, and you would be speaking far worse then you do now. Knowledge is not only built into your human genes but its built into your head, knowledge is not futile and taking such a simplistic look at it is stupid to be honest.

Knowledge is both what you do and what you don't know you know, its common sense, such as knowing not to fight the guy 10 feet taler then you, its knowing how to have sex, its knowing how babies are made, where they come from, how to raise them, how to walk, how to talk, how to type, its how not to do things, knowledge is a lot more then gained information, it's a lot more then fact, it's both genetics and fact of learning. Its everything, from how you do your homework, to how you run your computer, its how you how you automatically know how to breath, it's how you know that your heart pumps your blood, it's how you know you know certain animals are dangerous, its basic instinct, you have to take a finer look at what knowledge applies to in order to understand what it is in full essence.

[orly]

Haha, well I don't know. Maybe the gay actors will help future posters who ask "stupid" questions. :P

[Wacko1574]

aha......man now u make sense.....which changes everythin i thought off...

[Leon]

Why do you know what 1+1 is?1+1 is 11 obviously as we all know. Just thought I'd say.

[fraggled]

Stop being stupid Leon, this is a serious thread, if you want to be a child go be a child in another thread.

[Wacko1574]

so basically Devil u r saying...that KNOWLEDGE is simply what we see or do and even wut we not see and not do in life.....??...i thnk it makes sense...after all....

[Leon]

I agreed with your post anyway Jordon.

[orly]

Knowledge is knowing..but we don't know anything only think.

Therefore, knowledge is not needed to think.


Ugh. I think I said this a couple times. Eh. Maybe it just doesn't answer the question.

[Wacko1574]

huh!!! ......okay now i am rlly gettin dizzy.....so we thnk we know everything...but we dont....??

[orly]

so basically Devil u r saying...that KNOWLEDGE is simply what we see or do and even wut we not see and not do in life.....??...i thnk it makes sense...after all....


If you were taught that the Sun revolves around the Sun, and you hadn't been told any different, would you consider that to be knowledge?

[fraggled]

Thinking is not needed (in a sense) to be knowledgeable. This is because certain forms of knowledge are and can be diminished completely without the brain, all forms of knowledge rely on the brain. The single storage device. And just a note, people can think without knowing they are thinking, and people can know without knowing they know. Instinct is the biggest example of this.

Knowledge is everything. From the tiny things, to the big things, even false things can be knowledge, also what your teacher, friends or family might call false knowledge. Knowledge can't be given a specific mind set or definition because in a sense, knowledge is everything.

In the basics knowledge is: Learning, Instinct, Common sense, knowing to do, knowing not to do.

It can apply to the following (but not limited to): Running away from the dog without thinking about it (instinct), breathing automatically when you are born (instinct), survival (instinct), knowing not to fight the guy 10 feet taller (common sense), knowing that you should stop the bleeding before you die (instinct and common sense), 1+1 (learned), supporting your child (learned, instinct and common sense)

The biggest example of knowledge and instinct is, my natural want and need to protect my son, I didn't learn this, but this is knowledge and this is born into me from generations of "knowledge" bread into my genes.

Oh and I'm sorry Leon, didn't know you were joking.

[orly]

However, without thinking we wouldn't be able to understand the concepts of the "basics of knowledge".

Isn't all that we know to be true, just the way we view it? As in 'things may not be as they truely are'. Our minds tell us one thing, when it could be the other or is it knowledge.



I'm kinda actually getting a tad bit confused. whatever.

[fraggled]

However, without thinking we wouldn't be able to understand the concepts of the "basics of knowledge".

Isn't all that we know to be true, just the way we view it? As in 'things may not be as they truely are'. Our minds tell us one thing, when it could be the other or is it knowledge.



I'm kinda actually getting a tad bit confused. whatever.


That is wrong, 90% of the world doesn't think about their instincts, thats why they are called instincts. ;), natural reaction has no place for thinking, if you stood and thought about running from the dog, he would rip your neck out ;).

No, not all that we know is true, if this was so, we certainly would not perform studies to prove if what we know is true. Knowledge doesn't have to be correct, but for knowledge to be factual knowledge, it must be correct.

[Leon]

90% don't think about instincts?!?! I thought the idea of instincts was that they weren't thought about at all.

[fraggled]

In some the thought comes across in certain instances as to what to actually do, the quick reaction of double instinct. Example, the quick thought, do I run or do i fight? This is still instinct in a sense.

[orly]

How do we know factual knowledge to be fact?

Because people do studies? Because people tell us that this is fact and we believe it?

Without experiencing it we're just thinking what the person say is true.

Ah, there's that word again..thinking.

[fraggled]

Now you are just asking dumb questions.

[orly]

Possibly.

Or can you not just answer?!

[fraggled]

What is there to answer? You are sort of redundantly asking questions and making up shit as you go. Its like you are trying to carry on a debate or just challenge for shit :-\

[orly]

Possibly.

How do you feel about that?

[orly]

Oh and btw, how can I be making up shit as I go when I obviously stated this (or something similar to this) before. I'm just re-stating what I've said before, over and over again.




Next.

[fraggled]

So because you couldn't comprehend you think it right to redundantly ask?

[orly]

No, but to redundantly state what I previously said which you obviously hadn't read and I figured instead of coming with a whole new witty question/answer to your post I might as well redo what I already thought I made clear.

[fraggled]

You make no sense what so ever, it seems like you are throwing words together to try and form a sentence but I can't understand it :-\.

[orly]

Ouch.

But anywho, I think I'm donzo with this thread.

It was interesting.

[orly]

...however let me do this.
I figured it may be hard to understand to someone who..isn't me? :hmmm:
So, I'll break it down.

No, but to redundantly state what I previously said (01.right here I'm just like, yeah I already said the answer/question to your little statement already) which you obviously hadn't read (02.speaks for itself) and I figured instead of coming with a whole new witty question/answer to your post (03.now, I'm just like I'm sick of finding new ways to say what I already said before) I might as well redo what I already thought I made clear (04. redo being repeat what I asked in a previous post that I thought I made understandable).

Hope that helped some! :D

[fraggled]

wtf....even when you rephrase it, people still can't understand.

[orly]

That be your problem, not mines.

[fraggled]

It is your problem, you make Americans look dumber, and definably back up the claims about how Americans suck at English. Good Job ;)

[orly]

Well at least I'll go down for something. Unlike yourself?!

[Leon]

Ahh right, I know what you mean now.

[fraggled]

Well at least I'll go down for something. Unlike yourself?!


You'll go down as a dumb ass is about it. Which would account for 90% of the US to be quite honest, so join the ranks, follow the others, and be stupid, be my guest by all means.

You should quest to discover knowledge on English Literature. I know I'm not that good at English, but you are just horrible beyond means.

On that note of going down for something, I doubt you will really go down in the books as anything special. You are but the average American, maybe less, considering the average American can at least form a half witty statement.

[orly]

I will be the best dumb ass there is.

I'm pretty damn good if I make others rethink they're true definition of such a simple word.

[fraggled]

I will be the best dumb ass there is.

I'm pretty damn good if I make others rethink they're true definition of such a simple word.

Point proven.

On that note, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask simplistic questions, you are asking the same questions millions ask every day :-\.

[Leon]

Without experiencing it we're just thinking what the person say is true.Isn't that how you learn everything in life at first?

[fraggled]

Yes, but not all the way, you have to also do, AKA experiment. I would think Knowledge would involve some form of "Thinking + Doing".

[Leon]

Well yes, as I said 'at first', learning languages, learning in lessons at school, learning lifes lessons are all found out from people telling you and you thinking what they say is right.

There is obviously practical use of them all then afterwards.

[fraggled]

Indeed.

[Wacko1574]

yup......true.......i thnk i hav been sayin that all along.......but then i got rlly confused.....:)

[orly]

"On that note, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask simplistic questions, you are asking the same questions millions ask every day :-\."

So? I'm making people rethink their own thoughts and even though millions do it. Only I'm doing it right here, right now...and that makes me the best dumb ass on EARTH!

[Wacko1574]

hehhehee...naaaaaaaah well not on EARTH!!..maybe ur area only:P:P.....u did actually get me thinking ...rethinking....:D

[orly]

hehhehee...naaaaaaaah well not on EARTH!!..maybe ur area only:P:P.....u did actually get me thinking ...rethinking....:D



Okay well in the USA and surroundings countries.

[Wacko1574]

ur wish dude......i know u may have a competition...me!!:P:P

[orly]

ur wish dude......i know u may have a competition...me!!:P:P



:confused:Not hardly.

[KelseyChristine]

I don't believe that true knowledge can be measured by words or a simple diffinition.

[Wacko1574]

true ^^