Satanism

[YourNightmare]

I know most people aren't fond of Satanism, many are misguided my the media, rumours or word-of-mouth. So, who here
a) Likes Satanism?
b) Believes in Satanism?
I'm not opening this to bash Satanism since I believe in it. Just answer a) and b). Add in anything else if you care to.

[Kate]

I don't really believe in Satanism, but I do believe that others have just as much right to believe in it if others believe in its opposite form, theism.
I also think it's quite interesting.

[Leon]

I know most people aren't fond of Satanism, many are misguided my the media, rumours or word-of-mouth. So, who here I have only been made aware of what 'satanism' is all about through those methods, so please could you divulge with some brief history/beliefs of satanism as I can't say I know very much about it.

[Nirvana_rox]

It makes no sense to me i mean its just a take from christianity which is a take from paganism so yeah...
But nevertheless i neither like it nor hate it

[PrincessAlice]

i'm all for people believing what they want religion wise. i personally am not religious at all .

[orly]

I can't say A or B.

However, I *think* that you should let people believe what they want unless they start going around drinking baby blood.

(=

[tf_arl_90]

I'm with Leon. I don't know anything about it. Care to enlighten us?

[iamjasa_]

Most all religions make since to me. I can believe that most of what they say can happen and I can agree on reasoning for why it happend. Satanism just isn't one of them that does. Maybe i'm looking at it the wrong way, and maybe I haven't looked into it as much as I should to be able to truely make a post in this forum, but I just can't see it.
It doesn't make me angry, and like many others, I think people should be able to go with what they want. Is there some website? or maybe YOU could tell me why Satan is the answer for you and others?

[Wacko1574]

As you said ppl are misguided by media.....i rlly heard awefull stuff tbh.....and you gave me a website...before...and we have anything related to the subject blocked...STUPID Abu Dhabi network....so if its no trouble for you....jst a few important pointers...:o

[Kate]

and we have anything related to the subject blocked...STUPID Abu Dhabi network.


You are joking? That's ridiculous. Grrr...

[Wacko1574]

pffffft you telling me....i am the one not able to open the pages :(

[Nirvana_rox]

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''Satanism is not one single religion. Satanism is a broad category of religions, worldviews, and literature all featuring a favorable interpretation of the figure of Satan.
Christians (and Muslims) regard their "God" as all-good and Satan as evil. But what is "good"? What is "evil"? Many of the moral values espoused in the Bible seem very strange from a modern Western point of view.
In the Garden of Eden story, Adam and Eve are punished for eating from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." In other words, blind obedience to the Biblical "God" is considered "good," whereas independent moral judgment, based on one's own knowledge, is considered "evil." But, like many other educated people in the West today, we Satanists do not agree with this idea at all.
In the Book of Genesis, "God" seems to be outright threatened by human knowledge and achievement, both in the Garden of Eden story ("And the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'" - Genesis 3:22) and then later in the Tower of Babel story ("But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, 'If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.'" - Genesis 11:5-7).
In several books of the Bible, the supposedly all-good "God" commands the Israelites to slaughter various enemy nations in their entirety, in some cases sparing only the virgin girls who are taken as slaves. Nowhere in the Bible is Satan alleged to do anything even remotely as "evil" by modern Western standards.
According to traditional Christian doctrine, the main “evil” thing Satan is believed to do is simply to lead people away from Christ. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing depends on how you feel about Christianity.
From a more down-to-Earth point of view, the worst thing Satan is said to do in the New Testament is to drive people insane. (Insanity is blamed on alleged “demon possession.”) Indeed, if one is careless, one can drive oneself insane through exploring the unknown and seeking to “become as gods,” as Satan invites us to do. On the other hand, if one takes reasonable precautions in pursuing one's explorations and ambitions, one can reap great benefits.
Thus, most Satanists do NOT see themselves as "worshiping evil." Rather, most Satanists associate Satan with such values as pride, independence, individuality, knowledge, achievement, thinking for oneself, and exploring unknown and forbidden realms.
Furthermore, contrary to the portrayal of Satanism in horror movies and sensationalistic tabloids, the vast majority of Satanists do NOT see any need to sacrifice animals or commit violent crimes in the name of Satan.
There are many kinds of Satanists.
For most of the past forty years, the most public Satanist spokespeople have been atheistic symbolic Satanists, who do not believe in or worship Satan as a literal entity, but who regard Satan as a symbol of independence, pride, individual ambition, etc. The best-known symbolic Satanist organization is the Church of Satan, founded by Anton LaVey.
There is now a growing movement of theistic Satanists, who do believe in and revere Satan as a deity.
There are many kinds of theistic Satanists. The vast majority do NOT simply accept Christian beliefs except for siding with the Other Guy. The beliefs of most theistic Satanists are based on sources other than just Christianity.
Some theistic Satanists regard Satan as the Christian-era image of a more ancient deity such as the Egyptian god Set, the Greek Titan Prometheus, or the Sumerian god Enki. The Temple of Set is the best-known organization holding such a belief.
Others base their ideas on ancient Ophidian Gnosticism, which venerated the serpent of the Garden of Eden myth. Ophidian Gnostics saw the Biblical God as the Demiurge (an evil god who created the physical world for the purpose of trapping human souls) and the serpent as Sophia, the bringer of wisdom. This theology isn’t popular among today’s Satanists, most of whom have a more favorable opinion of the material world and their own bodies than the ancient Gnostics did.
Some see Satan as “God of this world” in a deistic or pantheistic sense, thereby giving a decidedly non-Christian interpretation to a phrase used in the Bible to refer to Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4).
Many theistic Satanists are polytheistic and regard both Satan and the Christian "God" as just two of the many gods. Some believe that all the gods, including both Satan and the Christian “God,” are really just very advanced extraterrestrial humanoids. Others are polytheistic in a more traditional spiritual sense.
The authors of this pamphlet are founding members of the Church of Azazel, which has a polytheistic theology. We believe that the Christian "God" is not the true cosmic God. To us, the workings of Nature do not suggest that the cosmic creator God desires a personal parental-like relationship with us humans. We believe that the true cosmic God is most likely impersonal, and, therefore, that any god who does relate to humans in a personal way is not the cosmic God. Thus we regard neither the Christian "God" nor Satan as the ultimate God of the universe. We regard Satan as a spirit who rules over the Earth and as a Muse of human innovation.''

^^ http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera////bgoat/essays/What-Is-S.html


I have no idea how accurate this is so meh

[diabloprimeevil]

i cant answer this question as i am agnostic i know there must be somthing out there as every race has some form of religion with 1 or many gods so how is it that all over the world they had different religions ?? were did the idea come from unless there is but one god who apears in many different forms more pleasing to the people of that land.
also in christianity good people "non sinners/ regular church goers and confessionists" will go to heaven and have eternal life and sinners go to hell were they are to be tourched till the end of time. i think i should look at this from a consumers point of view like if i was to take out a new phone contract wich gives me more free minnets in heven you will want for nothing. but what about satanism what do you get from worshiping him?

[Nintendus]

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^^ http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera////bgoat/essays/What-Is-S.html


I have no idea how accurate this is so meh
That's more clever than I thought really (not very clever), it is not hard to rebutt a lot of it but I can see where they are coming from vaguely.

[Rickeo]

a) Likes Satanism?

No not at all I do not condone anything that is evil or negative in anyway I believe we should try to better ourselves in life if we don't we lead a very sad life.



b) Believes in Satanism?

Do I follow it? No, not at all, do I believe in Satan, 110% yes I do.

The national satanism website allows anyone to follow satanism but to become a member of the church for which the only benefit is a small paper card it is around £100/£150 joining fee???? Screams conn all over to me :) just my opinion.

Also the general idea of satanism is that man was created sinful (wrong man was created good we chose to sin) either way say am right or wrong and yea that is my opinion but they say if we are sinful we should celebrate our natural selves and rejoice our natural ways.

They actually do acknowledge satan as a kind of negative force (though I know some satanists who believe satan to be the true all loving god which to me is a little twisted as I can't see where they get this idea from no matter how much I research it)

My question without slating you would be what in the earth is the point in a faith where people say ok am a bad person am negative and that's my natural way and am happy with that so heck am going to celebrate that am a bad person and live my life in a way that never betters myself.

Seems silly to me :\ even those who are atheist seem to want to better themselves in life as people I mean it gives us a sense of meaning.

satan is not good nor will he ever be look at where satan came from the Bible and Christianity absaloutly know where in the Bible does it say satan was good fair enough believe that the Bible misrepresented him but there is no proof or hard evidence at all what so ever to say the Bible was wrong in saying satan was evil so if people want to twist things to suit there needs and beliefs fine but it just seems very unlogical to me.

I don't mean to "slate" you in anyway it just gets me a little heated to see why people can't see the common sense sometimes ???

I mean tell me if am wrong but I don't think anyone can, show me a satanism forum where people are being loving friendly warm and welcoming to each other I count 0 :)

Rick

[Nintendus]

The national satanism website allows anyone to follow satanism but to become a member of the church for which the only benefit is a small paper card it is around £100/£150 joining fee???? Screams conn all over to me :) just my opinion.

Well they're hardly bright sparks, their whole 'religion' seems based on a misunderstanding of the Christian faith.

[marcus520]

i think that demons and stuff like that are real i don't know if Satanism beleives in that stuff, but if they do then yes i think it could be real, not saying that i beleive in i though

[Torn Apart]

I know a good chunk about Satanism but dont beleive in it.

[Deathturtle]

I've looked into it alot, mainly because i like finding flaws in religions

What i found is that they believe
1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence

2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipedreams

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates

5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development" has become the most vicious animal of all

8. Satan represents all the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification

9. Satan has been the best friend of the church as he has kept it in business all of these years

As you can see, Satanism is extremely flawed.

[*Jess*]

Those are the nine satanic statements. You've not actually found any flaws there or explained them, more copied them from Google. They're part of their religion, and not flaws in their religion as a flaw would be something which would contradict their own beliefs.

If you explained why you think it's flawed instead of copying and pasting from a website it would be more of a legitimate debate.

[Thesimpleone.]

I watched a programme on satanism and it really opened my eyes.
Because all i had heard about it was sacrifice and evil shit like that.
and basically (i cant remember what it was about so im not going to spout about it)
but it was just like any other religion.
:/

[Rickeo]

I still want an "satanist" to answer my question satan is from the Bible as evil and there is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that he was good or capable of good or kindness or anything so where they have got such things from seems wild and crazy to me to believe in satan you have to believe in the Christian God right??

Rick

[Nintendus]

I still want an "satanist" to answer my question satan is from the Bible as evil and there is no evidence WHAT SO EVER that he was good or capable of good or kindness or anything so where they have got such things from seems wild and crazy to me to believe in satan you have to believe in the Christian God right??

Rick
Maybe they're just too into their paradise lost.

[StripesNGoggles]

The rules are actually pretty nice.

Satanists can do whatever they want. I like it better than. Christianity xD

A nice little twist.

[AshleyLove.]

Ehh, not quite fond of the idea. But, I'm also not fond of the idea of Christianity. But, whatever. :]

I've had a couple friends who were Satanists, they were pretty decent people.

[Shane]

I once listened to Death metal. I was a Satanist for 3 Minutes and 41 Seconds.
It sucked. :/