Abortion: Life or Choice?

[IceBurn3000]

What are your views on a womans right to have an abortion? Is it her choice? Is she murdering her unborn child? Do you support the choice to have an abortion?

[NATAL!E]

Well, abortion is something I see many sides of and I don't really have one view point on.

I can understand that a woman may have not planned on conceiving a child, so therefore it is obviously her right as to whether she wants to keep it or not. It would be damn unfair on the child to be brought into the world with a mother who's going to regret having it for the rest of her life. Also, what about if she didn't have enough money, and didn't want to bring a child into the world which she could not provide for? It's dependant on the mother whether she chooses to have the baby or not.

Also, what if the child was conceived as an act of something awful, like rape? The woman should surely be able to decide what's best for her in that kind of situation? However, if the baby was conceived under other circumstances, such as parties and the likes, it's really a slightly different matter. That was carelessness, which shouldn't've happened. If the girl was able to have sex, she should have been cautious enough to use protection. Moreover, if it happens more than once, it's just down to carelessness aswell. People should take responsibility for their actions, more so if they cannot cope with the outcomes.

Abortion is a reasonably dangerous procedure, so it should really be a last resort with a lot of careful consideration. And not just as an escape route every time the girl gets pregnant due to careless attitudes. If so, then she should take time to think carefully about her actions.

It's also understandable why some people are against abortion though. Some religions believe it's wrong to take away a life by artificial means. It's also justified why some people believe this, because it's not the baby that's making the choice for itself, as it has no say in the matter of whether it lives or dies.

Although, at that stage of pregnancy, it's not really classed a person. The foetus is only a few cells large, which has the potential to develop, it's not actually a living, breathing human, as to speak. This is a bit like a chicken's egg, vegetarians do not believe it's wrong to eat the egg because it's not fertilised, so when the foetus is in the womb, it's not a baby or really anything more than a few living cells. However, please note, I am not encouraging the act of cannibalism.

But anyway, as I demonstrated, these are a few different reason why and why not abortion is acceptable. I personally believe it's upto the woman herself to decide. In that situation of choosing whether to keep a baby or not, I would have to consider the circumstances.

[Luke]

Choice.

"Not the Chuch, not the state, the woman must decide their fate".

[Mamfy]

I guess it depends on when you believe the baby to be regarded as a baby.

I mean, some people believe it is a living thing when it is conceived, which basically means it's murder to have an abortion in all circumstances because it is the murder of an innocent being. They believe that the baby has as much right to live as any other human being does.

Whereas, others believe it is not a baby til you can monitor it's heartbeat and all, or when it is physically born. I guess it all depends on when you believe the baby to be a living human being.

I believe the decision is up to the mum, in the end she will be carrying the baby around for 9 months, she will have to change her lifestyle for it, and all in all, she will be the one bringing it up if anything happens.

[Shane]

It is upto the Woman really. if they don't think they can give the baby a good life or its going to be messed up in some way like it won't be able to walk or will be mentally retarded then in a way its for the best. I know I would have rather been aborted then been born into a life of pain and/or misery.

[Brianna.]

I'm pro-choice.


There are alot of circumstances that could come up where abortion is the best option.

[Richiecroft]

It is upto the Woman really. if they don't think they can give the baby a good life or its going to be messed up in some way like it won't be able to walk or will be mentally retarded then in a way its for the best. I know I would have rather been aborted then been born into a life of pain and/or misery.

I can understand what your sayin Shane, but, imagine the parents say 5-10 years down the line why they had an abortion. Lets do a little role-playing, the "mother" can be called Joan and her friend can be called "Nikki" lol, here goes;

Nikki; "So joan, why did you have an abortion?"
Joan; "tbh , i really couldn't afford to have the child"

Just by these two sub-sentences we can clearly see that Joan just got rid of "her child" as she couldn't afford the costs. Now to me, thats b***s**t sorry but why have sex or whatever then say your not having the child!

[Mamfy]

Okay, if you're having sex you should realise the consequences and you should have to live with them.

If you are old enough (or think you are mature enough) to be having sex, then you need to think about what might happen.

[Brianna.]

What about rape?

[NATAL!E]

I can understand what your sayin Shane, but, imagine the parents say 5-10 years down the line why they had an abortion. Lets do a little role-playing, the "mother" can be called Joan and her friend can be called "Nikki" lol, here goes;

Nikki; "So joan, why did you have an abortion?"
Joan; "tbh , i really couldn't afford to have the child"

Just by these two sub-sentences we can clearly see that Joan just got rid of "her child" as she couldn't afford the costs. Now to me, thats b***s**t sorry but why have sex or whatever then say your not having the child!

I understand what you mean here, but would you rather be brought up in a happy home life, or a life where you had no real home, no food, no electricity, no clothes. Yeah? A kid costs a lot of money, even for just the basics.

I think I'd rather be brought up in my home life now, where I have enough of everything I need, rather than a form of poverty..

[Boy_Wonder06]

i think this is a really hard topic to discuss, i dont think there are any right or wrong answers. A women should have the right to chose if she wants to have the baby but i also think the baby has the right to live. Its so hard to chose. I mean i personally think it is a hard descision for anyone to make, and i really hope no one i knows gets put in that position.

[michelle]

i think abortion is murder, nad it shouldn't be done, yes people dont plan have a child but why have sex and then say oops im pregnant whe nits there responseability. on some cases i would agree with it like rape, but aprt from that i disagree with it
thats my point of view anyway

[Lindsay]

i'm pro-choice.
i think its a sad thing, but i also think the option should remain open.

[_bosnian_]

in the end it is up to the woman if she wants the baby or not. but i think it's murder. in some cases i can understand this decision, for example, if the baby is the result of rape or if the doctors diagnose that the embryo is invalid or just hasn't the possibility to live "normally".

[Artemis]

I think that abortion by itself is too broad. For one thing, I think that ultimately the woman has the choice, however I do think that after a certain period of growth, the abortion becomes murder.

A woman who is forced to have her child despises her child might abuse/ignore him. That child could lead a 'bad' life due to his/her family history.
Also rape victims. Some victims are young teens who cannot bear the reponsibilty of being a mother.

And yet, after the baby has grown enough to look familiar or "old enough" the pictures can get very gruesome.

I have to say I'm pro choice however I do think that this should be thought out more too.

[Patriot1776]

I would say for the most part no, but that is for religious reasons. However, there are a few grey areas.

Rape- Should a mother be forced to keep the child in this situation? I'm not 100% sure about what I would say here. Some would say yes, some would say no. SOme would say that the real issie is the total statistics of rapes each year.

Teenage Sex- Same thing. Some would say yes, others no. Some people would say that the real issue is teens having sex at sauch a young age.

Medical Reasons- Yes. There are situations where having a child would kill both the mother and the child. Is it really worth having both die just because you are worried about the child. No. In this case I would say yes, abortion is okay.

So even though I would say no in most situations, there are some grey areas. In some of these areas (Like rape and teenage sex) the question could be: Is abortion the REAL issue here?

Then there are some medical conditions where abortion will actually save lives.

Most of the time no, but some extreme situations yes

[NewAbortion]

Wow, old thread.

I see many people here have brought up the topic of rape, and that abortions should be allowed only under those circumstances. However, we must think about this. If it become a law that women could only get abortions if they'd been raped, several problems would arise:

1) Women who were raped but can't prove it; does that mean they can't get an abortion?
2) Women would falsely report rapes just so they could get an abortion, which would take up the time of the police department, preventing them from investigating actual crimes.
3) False reports and convictions would lead to a lot of innocent people serving 25-year sentences for having consensual sex.

To me, these problems seem to outweigh the benefits. Anyway, I'm pro-choice, regardless of the cirumstances. Yes, I thoroughly agree that if a woman has sex and gets pregnant, she should have to deal with it, because it was her fault, and I feel no pity for her whatsoever. However, we shouldn't punish the child for the mistakes of the mother; that seems just as cruel, if not crueler than an abortion.

~Maggot

[mandude]

I don't think abortion is wrong, because the foetus (NOT child, NOT baby) is not in a conscious state of living, therefore would have less of a bearing on it than if you were to kill an animal for food.

[Kaiser]

I'm for abortion in any situation whatsoever when the pregnant individual chooses it. A person has a fundamental right to their own body that doesn't end when they choose to have sex. Carrying a fetus causes significant harm, and until the fetus is capable of surviving outside of the womb, it is technically classified as a parasite. And an abortion is MANY times safer than going through with a pregnancy.

Having an abortion is taking responsibility for a situation, because having a child when you are not emotionally and/or financially ready for it is irresponsible. Don't fucking say that a woman has to "deal with the consequences," a child should NEVER be a punishment, and that aside, why on earth should she? She had sex, BIG DEAL. When America (other countries, too, but it's particularly strong here) gets over it's damnable "sex is evil, except only for women" attitude, the abortion debate will become a lot more one-sided. Why? Because the vast majority of "pro-lifers" don't care at all about the welfare of the fetus (and even less about it once its born), they just want to punish women for having sex. Well screw that.

There are simply too many reasons for abortion to be available on demand to give sway to the crappy, usually uninformed "reasoning" of most pro-lifers. For that matter, I haven't ever heard one good pro-life argument that didn't utterly fly in the face of reason and factual evidence.

[NewAbortion]

There are simply too many reasons for abortion to be available on demand to give sway to the crappy, usually uninformed "reasoning" of most pro-lifers. For that matter, I haven't ever heard one good pro-life argument that didn't utterly fly in the face of reason and factual evidence.Agreed. As many times as I've debated over abortion, I've not heard one decent argument.

~Maggot

[Wise Monkey]

What are your views on a womans right to have an abortion? Is it her choice? Is she murdering her unborn child? Do you support the choice to have an abortion?

I could say Many things but nothing I could say we turn this debate. No Comment

[mean_girl]

it is a murder ,, of an innocent little soul ,, she can atleast give it up for adoption

[NewAbortion]

it is a murder ,, of an innocent little soul ,, she can atleast give it up for adoptionOur adoption agency's are overcrowded as it is, and many of the homes are just as bad as the ones the children left. And, since murder is defined as killing a human being, and a fetus isn't considered a human being, it's not murder.

~Maggot

[God.]

Wow, old thread.

I see many people here have brought up the topic of rape, and that abortions should be allowed only under those circumstances. However, we must think about this. If it become a law that women could only get abortions if they'd been raped, several problems would arise:

1) Women who were raped but can't prove it; does that mean they can't get an abortion?
2) Women would falsely report rapes just so they could get an abortion, which would take up the time of the police department, preventing them from investigating actual crimes.
3) False reports and convictions would lead to a lot of innocent people serving 25-year sentences for having consensual sex.

To me, these problems seem to outweigh the benefits. Anyway, I'm pro-choice, regardless of the cirumstances. Yes, I thoroughly agree that if a woman has sex and gets pregnant, she should have to deal with it, because it was her fault, and I feel no pity for her whatsoever. However, we shouldn't punish the child for the mistakes of the mother; that seems just as cruel, if not crueler than an abortion.

~Maggot

*claps*

A truly excellent post.

[NewAbortion]

*claps*

A truly excellent post.*bows* Thank you, thank you. :D

~Maggot

[God.]

Haha... credit given where credit due. :P

[Sponge'K'nob]

I believe its a grey area.
There are many different reasons why women want to abort their child, sometimes made to?
I dont believe its right to abort every single child, espeshially when it is a rediculous reason.
I dont like it when a guy makes a woman abort her child just because he doesnt want to be a father, its upto the women, if she feels she can bring up the child single handed then fine!
If a woman is raped i believe its her choice if she wants to abort.
Also if a woman is getting old, she didnt think she could actually get pregnant, and dont think she could support that child for much longer both emotionally and physically and also financially.
I dont think that if you have unprotected sex that you should be able to abort, its a waste of a childs life!
If a youngster gets pregnant, but didnt actually realise they could, or they were pressured into unprotected sex then i think if they cant bring that child up they should either abort it OR put it up for adoption.
Personally I think that i wouldnt have an abortion, im not saying i wont because knowone can promise anything, but i believe that if you are pregnant that you should do everything possible to make that child happy.
And i also don tlike all the consequences of abortion.
Thats my view anyway..

[Charley]

I belive it is both parents choice but the woman has more of a say over the matter.

if a man ever told me to get rid of the baby because he didnt want it i would say you obvisly dont want nothing to with this child so you dont with me so in polite words id tell to go take a run an jump

[mean_girl]

Our adoption agency's are overcrowded as it is, and many of the homes are just as bad as the ones the children left. And, since murder is defined as killing a human being, and a fetus isn't considered a human being, it's not murder.

~Maggot

its not just a fetus it has a soul,,
poor thing,, thats so sad that most of you think that its ok to kill a baby ,, !!

[mandude]

its not just a fetus it has a soul,,
poor thing,, thats so sad that most of you think that its ok to kill a baby ,, !!
But it's not a baby. It's a foetus. If it were a baby, then the term foetus would be pointless.

[tf_arl_90]

I'm pro-choice, but abortion is definitely not a topic I would be comfortable or well-informed enough to debate.

I do think it's kind of silly when people say, "Abortion is wrong, unless the woman is raped! Then it's ok."

[Innamorata]

Pro-choice, if I got pregnant, I'd kill it.

[westernbabe09]

Its a gray area because it is her choice but it is also murder. See if she was having sex and knew it could happen but didnt want it to then it is murder but if she was having sex and was told if she had the baby then she or the baby would die then I understand. Or if she was raped. See what I mean!!!

[tf_arl_90]

See if she was having sex and knew it could happen but didnt want it to then it is murder
So failed contraceptives mean it's murder?


but if she was having sex and was told if she had the baby then she or the baby would die then I understand. Or if she was raped. See what I mean!!!

No, I don't, sorry. It's still abortion. The circumstances shouldn't matter.

[err-luff]

i think abortion should be illegal unless the girl has been raped.

[isabellacantino]

heres a bit of interesting info for ya to chew on:
crime rate in the US suddenly dropped in the 80's, no one knew why, they delved into it more and realized that abortion had been legalized a generation before that: all these children who would have been born but were aborted would have been teenagers at that time, but they werent so the juvenile delinquency dropped.

sounds harsh, but its true

may not convert you, but its gotta make you consider how harsh non-aborted kids lives were/are if they had resorted to crime in their teens eh?

I believe in reincarnation so abortion doesnt bother me, plus I like to know that the kid being born has a safe and healthy environment to be born into

[Sponge'K'nob]

I am now going against everything I have found morally wrong.
I have dont a lot of stuff in the last 9 months or so that I am not proud of.
Considering an abortion being one of them.
You never really know what you will do unless you are in that situation, and that is the honest truth.

[Venom]

lets just say, if it can't speak or think, since it is in an unconciuous state, then kill the little bastard!! :D i'm kidding, and it is the woman's choice, this reminds me of how in china they excute ppl if they have too many kids :P

but would u rather have a bloody mess (aborted fetus) or a corrupted child living in poverty and eventually raising crime rates? i'm not sayin they all end up this way but a lot do, and its betta to avoid the whole thing

(this is all said not putting relegion or law into account, just logic)

[Venom]

lets just say, if it can't speak or think, since it is in an unconciuous state, then kill the little bastard!! :D i'm kidding, and it is the woman's choice, this reminds me of how in china they excute ppl if they have too many kids :P

but would u rather have a bloody mess (aborted fetus) or a corrupted child living in poverty and eventually raising crime rates? i'm not sayin they all end up this way but a lot do, and its betta to avoid the whole thing

(this is all said not putting relegion or law into account, just logic)

[Venom]

sry, clicked twice, but this may really help you get my point or force you to read my cruel joke twice, so....whatever :P

[j3ssiicaa]

Im Pro-Life. Abortion really makes me sad. It's practically killing someone just like us. People often refer to it as a fetus, but I don't see it that way, it's an actual human. Women should be responsible for their own actions, they made a child and they should be aware of the consequences facing it. No one would like it if they killed you for no reason, that's how I see abortion.

There's often excuses like not having enough money to support the child. How about adoption? There's parents out there that aren't able to conceive and they are looking for adoption, so the unborn child could make a unfortunate family very happy.

As for rape, who says that they are going to keep the child? Adoption is also a good choice, you wouldn't have to worry about looking at the child in the eye and seeing you're attacker. You could give that child to another family and they'd feel just as happy.

Whatever the excuse is, abortion shouldn't be legal. It also sickens me that teenagers could go get an abortion without a parents consent.

[tmoney]

i dont care what you have to say it is murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pearson]

People should have a choice. Sometimes in certain situations its best off not to have a baby. Its not murder, how can you kill something that has'nt been born? The lass above me said everybody should have children if there pregnant even if they've been raped because it would make people happy! Thats ridiculous, you think if you was an adopted child you wouldnt want to know who your real parents were and why they gave you away. Can you image the pain its going to cause someone looking into their son/daughters eyes 18 years down the line and telling them that they were given away cos they were the son/daughter of a rapist, or that they were an accident and that they didnt have enough money to support a child. Some people make mistakes, and some people have babies at the wrong time and they cant deal with them, and they ruin there lives and the kids become tearaways, adoption for some people is a good option, and the right option. And it might seem wrong, but I believe you should only have a baby when your ready to bring somebody into the world and look after them.

[Darts]

Pearson is right. Abortion is a serious matter and is necessary, and whoever said that you can never really judge until you've been in the situation I'd have to agree with.

Having sex at an early age IS the main problem, most abortions nowadays are among teenagers.

People need to have that choice, its allright for people to say its the easy way out but the 'difficult' way punishes a child that doesn't deserve to be punished, and just because a person has an abortion it doesn't mean they got off lightly, WHO ON EARTH would want to kill their own child? Seriously? A woman that aborts her baby has to live with that decision for the rest of her life just as if she'd chosen to bring it up, because it is still a part of her and the guilt will still remain.

It's allright for those who say 'put it up for adoption', but I'm sure it isn't humanly possible to be able to do that. If I had a baby that I brought into the world I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I just gave it away to wonder all its life who its real mum and dad were, to have really depressing moments where they feel they were never wanted and even if they have really lovely adoptive parents can the true biological bond REALLY be replaced? And it's surely not possible to not love your own baby with all your heart once it is born. It's unthinkable to say that giving it away is as simple as that, and people should think twice before saying it.

If a mother doesn't want a child then I believe that choice should be made during the early stages of pregnancy, for the sake of both mother and child.

More emphasis needs to be put on effective methods of contraception, a condom just isn't enough.

Pro-choice. Either way, the mother will have her punishment as people so righteously wish.

Killing a baby IS wrong, but in many situations it prevents a good deal of chaos that would be far worse.

[fletch]

choice in my eyes, also i dotn think its fair on boys sumtimes, i no one circumstance where the condom split n the girl kept it, even thou she sed she was on the pill(she was lyin) also he did his part by using protection even thou she was on the pill, and now hes a father at 16

scary

[Darts]

Hmmm its true that the guy has it difficult cos he doesn't have a choice, but don't forget the child is more dependent on its mother so he wouldnt necessarily have to be there all the time whereas the mother would..... even so, its still a bit harsh.

[oOoBubblesoOo]

I would condone abortion if the baby was the result of rape, why would the mother want it staring before her eyes every day. Perhaps the women needs a life-saving operation, obviously that should be the first intentions rather than terminating the baby. But i would be against it if its just another careless unprotected sex situation

[tf_arl_90]

I would condone abortion if the baby was the result of rape, why would the mother want it staring before her eyes every day. Perhaps the women needs a life-saving operation, obviously that should be the first intentions rather than terminating the baby. But i would be against it if its just another careless unprotected sex situation


So you're not a pro-lifer?

[Pearson]

So you're not a pro-lifer?

Dont put a crap American name tag on it to make it sound good.

[tf_arl_90]

Dont put a crap American name tag on it to make it sound good.

I'm not trying to make it sound good. I'm trying to understand why she is apparently opposed to abortion in certain circumstances. Excuse me for asking a question :rolleyes:

[sk8r_girl]

abortion is wrong, i think it should only be alowed if the mothers life is at risk.

[Brittany]

Abortion, is the choice of the holder. If you get impregnated, whether you lay down and take it, or get raped, abortion is perfectly ok... Your not "killing" anything its, a cell. It doesnt feel yet or cry... If you love someone and you have sex with them and you get pregnant, you should be able to lose the child for "it's" sake and your own. If you arnt able to provide for that child or give it a good life... Why go through the prossess of carrying it in you for 9 months. Abortion saves "it" and yourself. Would you rather see girls giving birth to babies and killing them in garbage bags or, saving it by letting it go before it has life... I see nothing wrong with abortion. At all. Its for the good of all people if they need it in any situation.

[AWOL]

Abortion should only be allowed if there are grounds for it in my opinion such as if the women is raped or her life is in danger. Other than that it is up to her to take precautions.

[Eyesofangel313]

This is a touchy subject so i'm not going into details. But I am against it.

[Innamorata]

Condoms and other forms of protection are not 100% effective, it's not the woman's fault if it doesn't work properly.

[Eyesofangel313]

agree with innamorata! <333

[mandude]

Abortion, is the choice of the holder. If you get impregnated, whether you lay down and take it, or get raped, abortion is perfectly ok... Your not "killing" anything its, a cell. It doesnt feel yet or cry... If you love someone and you have sex with them and you get pregnant, you should be able to lose the child for "it's" sake and your own. If you arnt able to provide for that child or give it a good life... Why go through the prossess of carrying it in you for 9 months. Abortion saves "it" and yourself. Would you rather see girls giving birth to babies and killing them in garbage bags or, saving it by letting it go before it has life... I see nothing wrong with abortion. At all. Its for the good of all people if they need it in any situation.Agreed. Better you take the life of something that isn't conscious of it's life, than possibly ruining one or two lives.

[God.]

Agreed. Better you take the life of something that isn't conscious of it's life, than possibly ruining one or two lives.

x2.

If Lucie got pregnant now, and we couldn't abort it, then both of our lives would be ruined, purely at fault of a recreational activity.

Pro choice ftw.

To everyone who disagrees; I hope you get pregnant before you're 20.

[Innamorata]

Haha.


x2.

If Lucie got pregnant now, and we couldn't abort it, then both of our lives would be ruined, purely at fault of a recreational activity.

Pro choice ftw.

To everyone who disagrees; I hope you get pregnant before you're 20.

[tf_arl_90]

Does anyone here actually think this?

I've had so many discussions with people who claim that abortion is murder. And murder is wrong, so you shouldn't have abortions. But if the woman was raped, then it's okay, because she wouldn't want to look at the baby and think of the guy who raped her and it wasn't her fault, and blah blah blah

So basically, if you agree with this logic, then you agree that murder is okay, but you're against abortions because it's murder.

I don't get it.

[Leon]

So basically, if you agree with this logic, then you agree that murder is okay, but you're against abortions because it's murder.

I don't get it.I think thats says it all, the people who believe this just contradict themselves and are idiots....'don't murder, but sometimes murder is ok!'

Idiots.

[Innamorata]

Agreed, the morons.

[!Jazzy!]

I don't think that people should have abortions.
they should use contraception and stop being so stupid!
its your own fault if you get pregnant.
I think an abortion is only nesscasary if someone was raped.... lets face it, it seems like a horrible thing to do but who wants a baby that they got pregnant with because they got raped.

but i think abortion because your too stupid to use contraception, is MURDER!! no doubt about it! abortion is like killing your baby when its born, scientist say they cant feel under a certain age while in the womb, but who really knows!
and some people perform abortions even when the baby is quite mature, everyone knows that babies at that stage can feel pain, so why do people do it? its cruel.

[Innamorata]

Did you even bother reading my post above? Some people do use contraception, but it is not 100% effective. Not their fault if they get pregnant by accident, when they did the right thing to do.

[!Jazzy!]

yes i know that contraception is not %100 percent effective, and its not someones fault if they get pregnant because the product failed to work. so i guess theres an exception, maybe. but people have to understand that there are risks involved in having sex.

[Innamorata]

Well obviously if they're stupid enough to have sex without contraception, then they deserve whatever happens to them. Just saying that not everyone is like that.

[God.]

We've had sex without contraception... just in the wrong place for you to get pregnant. :D

[Innamorata]

Lol, that doesn't count.


We've had sex without contraception... just in the wrong place for you to get pregnant. :D

[God.]

Aww, no fair.

[tf_arl_90]

yes i know that contraception is not %100 percent effective, and its not someones fault if they get pregnant because the product failed to work. so i guess theres an exception, maybe. but people have to understand that there are risks involved in having sex.

So once again, apparently there are exceptions to when murder is okay and when it isn't. What gives you the right to decide what people can do with their bodies, and under which circumstances they can?

[NewAbortion]

yes i know that contraception is not %100 percent effective, and its not someones fault if they get pregnant because the product failed to work. so i guess theres an exception, maybe. but people have to understand that there are risks involved in having sex.Are you speaking morally or legally? Because, legally, you can't base whether a person can get an abortion on if they used contraception. Not only that, it's rather audacious of you to try to force others to live by your morals through the law.

But if you're speaking morally, well, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I can't help but notice that you don't seem entirely sure of your opinion. "So I guess there's an exception, maybe"? I think you need to reevaluate your morals and ideas before you even post in a thread like this, let alone try to debate the issue.
I think an abortion is only nesscasary if someone was raped.... lets face it, it seems like a horrible thing to do but who wants a baby that they got pregnant with because they got raped.Alright, let's look at this from a legal, logical perspective, shall we? In the scenario that abortion be made legal only when a woman is raped, we have two possible outcomes:

1) The law states that women can get abortions if they report it as rape; no conviction or arrest is necessary. --> Women make false reports of rape when it was really consensual to get an abortion. --> Lots of men end up in jail for a crime they didn't commit.

2) The law states that women can only get abortions if they report a rape and there was a conviction. --> Lots of women still make false reports when it was consensual. --> Lots of men still end up in jail for a crime they didn't commit. ALSO, many, many women that were raped but couldn't prove it are forced to go through with the pregnancies.

Either way, the idea is logically nauseating.

but i think abortion because your too stupid to use contraception, is MURDER!! no doubt about it! abortion is like killing your baby when its born, scientist say they cant feel under a certain age while in the womb, but who really knows!Actually, it's yet to be decided when a fetus can or can't feel pain, mostly due to uneducated people such as yourself. However, you can't logically compare killing a fetus to killing a newborn. No. Just...no.

Read:

"Many physicians and researchers of fetal development believe that synaptic connections within the fetus' brain are necessary to perceive pain. These are not formed until the third trimester, when fewer than 1% of all pregnancy terminations are done. For example, researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, CA wrote that babies born before 30 weeks’ gestation lack 'functional pain perception.' They suggested that this is one indicator that 'fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester.'"

Now, this isn't proven, but I personally find it to be most likely to be true. If there is no connection to receive pain, how is the fetus expected to feel pain? Common sense, dear.

and some people perform abortions even when the baby is quite mature, everyone knows that babies at that stage can feel pain, so why do people do it? its cruel."These are not formed until the third trimester, when fewer than 1% of all pregnancy terminations are done."

In these instances, I really doubt it wasn't for good reason, like the mother's life was seriously threatened. And, considering that, saying the woman can't get an abortion is just as murdurous - if not more so - than killing the fetus.

Abortion = <3

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pain.htm

~Maggot

[!Jazzy!]

If you have an abortion because you are physically unable to give birth than thats okay.

what im saying is people who are too careless to think before they do should not be having sex if they dont want to get pregnant.
many teenagers refuse to take the pill, and they get pregnant, its their own fault in that case.

[NewAbortion]

If you have an abortion because you are physically unable to give birth than thats okay.

what im saying is people who are too careless to think before they do should not be having sex if they dont want to get pregnant.
many teenagers refuse to take the pill, and they get pregnant, its their own fault in that case.I'm not saying it isn't their fault. But what the hell's your point?

And you completely ignored 99.99% of my post. ._.

~Maggot

[tf_arl_90]

If you have an abortion because you are physically unable to give birth than thats okay.

what im saying is people who are too careless to think before they do should not be having sex if they dont want to get pregnant.
many teenagers refuse to take the pill, and they get pregnant, its their own fault in that case.

If they're too careless to think before they have sex, what makes you think they are responsible enough to be raising a child?

[Innamorata]

True that.

[!Jazzy!]

If they're too careless to think before they have sex, what makes you think they are responsible enough to be raising a child?

If their not responsible to raise a child, why are they taking the risk to get pregnant in the first place?

[tf_arl_90]

If their not responsible to raise a child, why are they taking the risk to get pregnant in the first place?

'Cause they aren't responsible.

What are you trying to do? Punish them with a child?

I don't understand the basis of your argument.

[!Jazzy!]

Maybe they do need to be punished with a child, and wake up to themselves.

[NewAbortion]

Maybe they do need to be punished with a child, and wake up to themselves.And completely forget about what you might be putting the children through? You really should read the book A Child Called It (I believe that's what it's called).

A lot of people won't really see the child as a punishment. If they completely ignore it, how's that a punishment? No one's going to force them to raise it properly.

~Maggot

[tf_arl_90]

Maybe they do need to be punished with a child, and wake up to themselves.

A mother who sees her child as punishment? That sounds like a loving relationship!