The matter of life...

[Boy_Wonder06]

is it me or do people really get on your nerves when they go all suicidal and claim that life is all so bad. I mean at the end of the day they should all be happy they still have a life, and that they were born into such a fascinating world with so many opportunities.

Ok i know what im sayin may seem very harsh but if you look at it from my point of view its purely factual. I mean look how many people have died in the 9/11 bombings and the London terrorist attacks. I know that we all face problems in life some that are so bad people will concider an alterative way out of life to end all misery, but there are always people to help.

This world could be so much better if we all calmed down a little and don't let are emotions get the btter of us, i feel so silly saying this cuz i let my emotions rule my life. I just wanna know what you all think?

Ps if anyone feels my post was out of order in any shape or form please private message me, and if anyone wants any help or advice i am here to help even though the above post would make you think otherwise :)

[~Wayne~]

I know what you mean when people complain about little things, claiming it isnt worth living anymore because something little happens. Suicide is simply an easy way out for people who don't try hard enough in life

[t-junction]

Heh, suicide is a perfectly valid method of escaping life's upheavals and I am sure some people who have killed themselves have had genuine reason to do so. Let us not rob those unfortunate people of their last dignity by calling them cowards. You may think it is an easy way out, but could you kill yourself? I have thought about it, I'm sure everyone has at some point; not neccessarily in a 'I want to do it' fashion. But could you really plunge the barrel in your mouth and shoot? Step into the air and fall to oblivion? Cut through your veins? I know I couldn't. Not because I dont want to (in actual fact I dont, but I am veiwing this as being outside the point) but because of the consequences to my friends and family, the pain, and the ambiguity of the after life (for instance, if god does exist, general religious consensus is that suidicide is not going to impress him).

As for what life is and what it means, well, its entirely objective. Its completely different from one person to the next. For me, I have no definite answers. I accept, now, that I probably cant and never will know the answers to big questions like these. It doesnt bother me, it justs gives me something to mull over.

[ReAnImAtEd]

perfectly put t-junction :D

[Boy_Wonder06]

t-junction ur argument is fairly strong i will give you that, but lookin at it from another point of view, suicide may relieve one person of problems but then they get piled onto someone else, ie their parents or friends and family, surely that isn't fair. Its just makes everyone else's life a misery and doesn't really solve anything. Ok it may take a lot of guts to kill yourself, but it takes even more to stand up tall and fight your corner! There are more than enough people out there to help, and a lot of people chose not to get help, even though they should.

[ReAnImAtEd]

sometimes u have to do what you feel is right for yourself...a majority of persons with suicidal tendonsies suffer from depression...which is an illness..u cant blame a person without understanding how they feel and how the illness effects them often it makes people isolate themselves its not their fault.

[Boy_Wonder06]

i would never blame the individual, but i would kinda blame those around that person, for not helping or recognising the signs. i agree there are many ways to look at this kind of problem, but if they seek the help they requiere then it would all get sorted, i know they isolate themselves, ive been there dont that and got the flammin scars to prove it, but i mean, people get worked up and drum it into there heads that there is no one out there to help which is c**p, ive done it too but i luckily had friends that came and saved me.

[ReAnImAtEd]

i went through it too...and no1 noticed and i didnt want to tell anyone either...its not always that simple to jus get through it.

[Boy_Wonder06]

i megaly disagree it only gets hard when the person makes it hard, i mean they can make it so easy by saying to themselves that they need to get help... but 9/10 they won't and they will let themselves slowly die out.

[ReAnImAtEd]

its possible to get to deep before you realise...plus what if your in a situation where people are unlikely to understand and empathise

[Boy_Wonder06]

i suppose what your saying does make sense, but i still think that there are wayes to deal with things, and some people just go OTT, and allow little things to send them suicidal (attention seeking if u ask me), oki if the person has a genuine problem then i would understand but sum people are like OMG my boyfriend has just dumped me and they've been going out for like 3 days .... does anyone else have any views on this topic?

[ReAnImAtEd]

indeed people often attention seek.. and show-off scars etc...i have no sympathy for them

[Boy_Wonder06]

nor me, those are the type of people that i really think should get a life

[pakstar]

life is what love is, without passion its as emty as a starless sky, so i think that when people become discusted at the fact theyre alive, they should indeed just throw themselves off a cliff.

[t-junction]

<i>and allow little things to send them suicidal</i>

Have you ever heard of bi-polar disorder? It can make people do exactly that.
Besides, dealing with depression and what not is extremely difficult for some people. I dont know if I suffer from it, or if I am fail at life. My mood swings widly even within days, and sometimes I'll go for a week just feeling utter crap for no reason at all. But not everyone empathises that well. It's ok for you to say 'Oh your friends will be there' and such and such, but the fact is they aren't always. Unless all your friends have hearts of gold, they will eventually get extremely annoyed with your moodiness, and sulkiness, and generally pushing everyone away. Its not all heart. The only people who will always be there are doctors because they get paid to deal with people like us. And I dont want to thrust my non existant, self inflicted problems on to my mates, so I just shut the hell up and sit in a corner looking out of the window. You say that 'its not fair on your family' to kill yourself, but is it fair to live life wishing every day was your last, hoping that some glimmer of hope would slice through all the melancholy and empitness? I dont think it is.

[Stephanie]

indeed people often attention seek.. and show-off scars etc...i have no sympathy for them

I think that the people that self harm for attention need the most help. They are the ones that are feeling unloved or un-noticed.

My cousin is one of these people. She is the oldest of 4 children and so her parents focus more on her younger siblings then they do on her. She yerns for her parents attention and she has tried just about everything to gain it..doing well at school, bad at school, being wellbehaved, misbehaved, but it never seems to work.

So she has gone anorexic and started cutting her legs and arms and has been wearing shorts and t-shirts at every opportunity to show off what she has done to herself..and it is only now that she has recieved the attention she has been so badly aching for, for all these years. And even then, it isn't the attention she wants or deserves. Now all they do is dump her with a psychologist twice a week. Only God knows what she will do next as an attempt to get her parents attention.

I have sympathy for her.

[ReAnImAtEd]

I think that the people that self harm for attention need the most help. They are the ones that are feeling unloved or un-noticed.

My cousin is one of these people. She is the oldest of 4 children and so her parents focus more on her younger siblings then they do on her. She yerns for her parents attention and she has tried just about everything to gain it..doing well at school, bad at school, being wellbehaved, misbehaved, but it never seems to work.

So she has gone anorexic and started cutting her legs and arms and has been wearing shorts and t-shirts at every opportunity to show off what she has done to herself..and it is only now that she has recieved the attention she has been so badly aching for, for all these years. And even then, it isn't the attention she wants or deserves. Now all they do is dump her with a psychologist twice a week. Only God knows what she will do next as an attempt to get her parents attention.

I have sympathy for her.

however people who do it for attention have grown a stereotype for self-harmers...leading the majority of people to think that if you cut yourself then you want attention! this is not the case and people who need help dont get it because of this... stephanie i think ur cousin self harms because of neglection not just for attention...my comment was aimed at those who self-harm as some sort of 'fashion statement' to attract attention which they niether need or deserve.

[Artemis]

I think that all of this is very interesting however I would like to mention that anyone struggling with depression is usually tired with life. Is there anything we can do to change that feeling. We, as in the people in this forum, cannot console or befriend those who need it because we cannot be there everywhere for everyone.

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[Artemis]

OOps :D
((ended my reply by accident)))

Anyway, I agree w/ above that the people at fault are those who do nothing and do not take notice of thier friend's,neighbor'setc. attitude--- yet can anyone really blame them too?

None can judge whether a person really didn't notice depressive signals. And those "attention wanters" >... can anyone really tell whether or not they are showing off for themselves?

The whole "blame" attitude or "right and wrong stance" goes in circles and really depends on certain circumstances with certain people.

[Lindsay]

its easy to sit there and say "suicidal people are annoying because they don't try hard enough" but imagine how shitty you have to feel in order to kill yourself. Honestly, if you haven't been in a situation like that i don't think its fair to judge.

there are always going to be the people that are like "ooh, everyone who self harms/is suicidal is looking for attention" blah blah blah. No, thats not true. There's clinical and chemical depression. Clinical depression is when an event in your life has caused you to be depressed, and chemical depression is when there is an imbalance in your brain and in both cases people can't help it. I'm not talking about the "self diagnosed" depression where people say "shit, i'm feeling sad. must be depression"
i'm talking about going to a therapist and a phycologist who evaluate you and then, if they feel the need to, give you medication.

There are also other medical conditions such as anxiety disorders, bi-polar, personality and mood disorders and many others that cause people to get severly depressed and suicide seems like the only way to get out of it. Sure, its selfish and maybe it is the easy way out, but whether you'd like to admit to it or not, it takes guts to kill yourself, so calling someone a coward is really out of line.

[Hevz]

People say tht it's unfair on the families and friends of the person who kills themself but how must they have felt to take their own life! i can't even begin 2 imagine! but also at the same time if i think about it, it can make me slightly angry. if u have people you are close 2 who r fighting for life and wud give anything 2 become well again and then u hear of young people who have a whole life ahead of them jst throwing it away then tht can mek me kind of mad. i know the 2 views contradict themselves but tht's jst 2 ways i kind of think about it!

[Lindsay]

its not really fair to force someone to live if they are in constant pain

[gprime]

As per suicide:

Is it justifiable? Speaking in absolutes assured that your answer is wrong. It is fair to assume that in most cases, it is a stupid solution and one which is ill-considered. However, there are circumstances where it is a reasonable solution. Take for example a woman who, on a trip to Thailand, gets captured and sold into the white slave trade. Surely death is better than life as an abused sex slave. So in such a circumstance, isn't it a reasonable end? Of course it is.

Is it fair to others? More often than not, no. But one should live life for themselves. So it follows then that if they choose to end their own life, it should be a decision based on the impact on self.

[hollib21]

suicide...
I have a few views when it comes to suicide...

Im a "peer leader" in my school, and I have met with some kids both older and my age who have seriously thought about suicide and tried to do it.
I think in this case it should be taken seriously and that it is never a solution.
On one hand, you can think of it as a "greedy" way to end things
by killing yourself you are not just effecting you, you are effecting your family, and your friends...the students often feel like they are not appreciated and no one cares about them
The odds are someone does care.
I dont care if you are the most unpopular kid in school,
someone in your life will be upset if you were to commit suicide.
so I personally believe they need help, and that suicide is not the answer

Why suicide claims get me mad on occassion...
there are people who just "talk" about it as a way to get attention
Like "o my life is so terrible i think im going to kill myself"
they do it as a way to get people feel sorry for them
I have seen this happen.
It happened in the peer leadership program and it annoys me
its not something to joke about
it still has to be taken seriously because they say it not really meaning it...
it becomes a huge problem
its not something to get attention
you cannot really tell if they will or will not do it.

In the world, someone somewhere has it worse then you
it may not seem like it, but its true.
Im a very postive person by nature, but I dont feel that suicide is EVER the answer
even if you are "always hurt" it can always get better
especially if you are a teenager.
you have an entire life to live
suicide is NOT the answer

[Lindsay]

easy said then done though right? its not like its some whim decision. someone is in serious pain and is feeling extremly hopeless if they're going to kill themselves.

[KathyN]

I think we should not waist our life for doing stupid things. We all have to achieve something and make something from our life.

Life is not only a biological process, it's also a spiritual process too.

Suicide is never a solution.
I agree with hollib21 !!!!

People that feel hopeless must search for a solution, tell someone about their problem and nice people will help. Don't be afraid to live.

[A Shade of Grey]

I know what you mean when people complain about little things, claiming it isnt worth living anymore because something little happens. Suicide is simply an easy way out for people who don't try hard enough in life
All humans have a limit, suicide is what happens when they reach that limit. Self righteousness isn't going to make them want to be stronger, or try harder in life, it just makes you sound like a dick.

[Leviathan]

soem point referring to suicide;

you haven't been asked whether you want this life or not, so why the hell should you care about anyone if you decide not to take it?

[Jawa]

Suicide is selfish, love is selfish too, everything is selfish one way or another. Just some more noticed than others.

Suicide is overrated and abused as a word. I have encountered people who say they are suicidal because they want to kill themselves. No, that does not make someone suicidal. What makes someone suicidal is when they actually try to do it, due to media and trends present in society. The meaning and moral values associated with suicide have become warped and misenterpreted.

Many psychologists say that depressed people are actually more in touch with reality than someone who isn't depressed. So the whole myth that depressed people are out of touch with reality or that they aren't thinking logically is untrue until actually proven.

[Brianlawd]

suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

personally, ah dont think any of us can comment on suicide, unless we've seriously considered it, likesay?

ah no ah have. ah dont even know why ah felt like ah did, there wis no distinguising factor in ma life that made me feel upset. ah suppose ah just felt like ah didnt fit in anywhere, all ma friends are assholes an all the people ah thought ah'd get on wi didnt bother trying tae get to know me. it feels like every bad thing ah've done in ma life has poisoned ma soul an people can see this poison when they speak to me, like a permanant dark cloud hangin over ma heid.

still, life is what you make it. ah really need to focus on the things that make me happy or maybe ah just need to appreciate things more.

ah realise this thread is a few years old, sorry. ah saw it in the similar threads an ah thought why no.

[soggytoast]

just to say you may want to check the dates of posts in future (located top left corner of each post)

[Brianlawd]

just to say you might want tae read the last sentence of ma post

[soggytoast]

and yet somehow that makes you more of a retard?

[fuzzylumpkins]

dear lord, when you're talking about a serious topic like suicide, could you do us all a favor and drop the shitty english?

i mean, its irritating enough in the spam section, but its way outta line here.

[Brianlawd]

beginning sentences without a capital letter and not putting apostrophes where they are supposed to be would be considered shitty english (which also needs a capital, as am sure you know) but hey ho.

if its botherin you though, i'll start typing my posts in proper english, complete with correct grammar, punctuation and syntax, yer majesty.

also, if youd actually read ma post, youll see ma 'shitty english' didnt detract from the sincerity of the subject

[soggytoast]

yes because that's obviously what he meant, nobody gives a shit about your punctuation just when ya tlk like dis we get fookin noyed cause we cane understandz yes.

[Incendiary]

some of us don't understand even all of the normal english, not to mention the... weird variation.
I think I got 25% of it when I read it first time.


if its botherin you though, i'll start typing my posts in proper english,
yes it bothers me, cuz it takes me 15 minutes before I finally understand the whole post.

just my two cents.

[Leon]

just to say you may want to check the dates of posts in future (located top left corner of each post)The opinion was still valid regardless of the dates.

[fuzzylumpkins]

oh HAI!

heer let mee tawk in lolspeek about soupyside. It has teh dumb. No one unnerstans teh pain ah feels. Nobodees no mah trubblz. I no tink peoples can text 'bout it unless they's thinkd about it.

kthx bai.

Really... doesn't the sincerity just bubble through the shitty english.

go fuck yourself Brian.

[Brianlawd]

fuck you, you self-righteous prick

[ALLiE_yadigg]

Suicide is selfish, love is selfish too, everything is selfish one way or another. Just some more noticed than others.

Suicide is overrated and abused as a word. I have encountered people who say they are suicidal because they want to kill themselves. No, that does not make someone suicidal. What makes someone suicidal is when they actually try to do it, due to media and trends present in society. The meaning and moral values associated with suicide have become warped and misenterpreted.

Many psychologists say that depressed people are actually more in touch with reality than someone who isn't depressed. So the whole myth that depressed people are out of touch with reality or that they aren't thinking logically is untrue until actually proven.

As long as we're starting to comment on this post, I figured I'd give my input.
Like you said, just because you think you want to kill yourself, doesn't make you suicidal. It means you have suicidal thoughts. Suicidal would mean you've actually attempted to do so. Si?

[Thok]

I went for the top one. But thats not to say i find it depressing, i just believe there isnt a meaning to life or a reason or anything other than the survival of the species. I take some comfort in knowing it is pointless aswell :D

[fuzzylumpkins]

I'm in agreement thok,

although its a bit of a mindfuck to look around and see everything as functions of evolving survival techniques.

[WastedlittleDj]

The matter of life is to have as much fun in your life as possible and drink as much alcohol as possible ...... and get laid.

[Hugga-Bear]

Life is 100% idiotic and pointless.

Nonetheless, I fully intend to have as much fun as I can while I'm here, so I do what I enjoy, I aim to achieve long term contentment and when worst comes to worst, it's only gonna be a few decades....

[Thok]

its a mind fuck, but reasuring that your not really important in the grand scheme of things. So if you fuck up it doenst matter.

[fuzzylumpkins]

although conversely, its also a bit disheartening that in the grand scheme of things, you don't mean jack shit. (its been bothering me a bit lately lol).

[Thok]

I suppose, but then you gotta remember that to the people arround you, you mean alot.

[tf_arl_90]

I voted for the it's what you make of it one.

Granted, some of us are put into better circumstances than others, and it's easier for some of us to pick ourselves up than others. But that was the one that most accurately reflected my personal views.

As for the whole suicide thing, sure, some people might be doing it for attention. But seeking attention doesn't necessarily mean there's isn't a problem. Lots of people have serious issues and seek attention. Not all pleas are completely illegitimate.


its easy to sit there and say "suicidal people are annoying because they don't try hard enough" but imagine how shitty you have to feel in order to kill yourself. Honestly, if you haven't been in a situation like that i don't think its fair to judge.

I agree with you to a point.

I think even if you have been in a seemingly similar situation, everyone's experience is unique.


Many psychologists say that depressed people are actually more in touch with reality than someone who isn't depressed. So the whole myth that depressed people are out of touch with reality or that they aren't thinking logically is untrue until actually proven.

Can you provide a link to this? I'm actually pretty interested in it.

[secretshadows92]

Personally I think it sucks that there are so many people out there with cancer and whatever else that want to live but ultimately can't and there are those who are suicidal that want to die and have no desire to live. Wish there was a way for those people to switch places.....

[Affibepub]

Congrats to everyone. This year the spirit was definitely a good one. We will help make your life easier next year Carl, you did a fantastic job