Do you dislike Americans?

[zeeryan]

ok, so Ive heard quite a few people have some pretty strong opinions toward America and Americans. Do you dislike Americans? Why or why not?Im from the US btw, your not going to hurt my feelings

[VraiCanon]

I like the Americans that I know. They're nice... I HATE certain American accents though.

[WastedlittleDj]

I like them, and some of them have a wicked sense of humour :)

[Charlotte(:]

I like them. In all honesty i don't understand how people can dislike a country all together.. Not everyone in it's the same.

[lozflup]

I like americans, I dislike some americans.....the same as I dislike some english people :)
And yeah i dont mind the accent at all, but i hate the whole ghetto american accent, like the people on jerry springer haha

[case]

Not bothered either way, never met a real American.

[ficti0n]

I think I've spent a year in total in America since I was born and I fucking love most Americans. They are a lot more open and less reserved, not that I wan't to stereotype.

[fuzzylumpkins]

well being from Canada, I have a large pool of experience to draw from, given that I live about 45 minutes from the border.

I can honestly say that while I don't hate any specific americans, I do hate amercians (in a general sense).

The country is (of course there are individual exceptions, and thats what I mean by the previous statement) fat, loud, arrogant, classist, dogmatic, and narcissistic.

Fat - you cross the border and instantly the size of people enlarges. I'm not talking by a few pounds either. These are "mc-sized" people. These people are gross, and for some reason like to blame being fat on genetics and not the sedentary snickers filled lifestyle they exist in.

Loud - i don't really need to qualify this do I? They're loud.

Arrogant - "The american way is the right way" "america is the greatest country on earth" "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

Classist - again, do I need to quantify this? Their cars and outsides of their houses are the most important thing to them. Its all about appearances. (classist may not be the best term, but I just woke up)

Dogmatic - in america, the jury is stil out on whether evolution happened or not. In some places its not legal to teach evolution, even from a "holy shit god did all this" stand point.

Narcissistic - americans are in love with themselves. if people disagree with this, tell me and I'll get off my ass and post a fucking novel about it.


so in short, I don't hate any american as a person, I HATE americans.

oh and the NY state accent sucks, whether its jersey or otherwise.

[case]

well being from Canada, I have a large pool of experience to draw from, given that I live about 45 minutes from the border.

I can honestly say that while I don't hate any specific americans, I do hate amercians (in a general sense).

The country is (of course there are individual exceptions, and thats what I mean by the previous statement) fat, loud, arrogant, classist, dogmatic, and narcissistic.

Fat - you cross the border and instantly the size of people enlarges. I'm not talking by a few pounds either. These are "mc-sized" people. These people are gross, and for some reason like to blame being fat on genetics and not the sedentary snickers filled lifestyle they exist in.

Loud - i don't really need to qualify this do I? They're loud.

Arrogant "The american way is the right way" "america is the greatest country on earth" "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

Classist - again, do I need to quantify this? Their cars and outsides of their houses are the most important thing to them. Its all about appearances. (classist may not be the best term, but I just woke up)

Dogmatic - in america, the jury is stil out on whether evolution happened or not. In some places its not legal to teach evolution, even from a "holy shit god did all this" stand point.

Narcissistic - americans are in love with themselves. if people disagree with this, tell me and I'll get off my ass and post a fucking novel about it.


so in short, I don't hate any american as a person, I HATE americans.

oh and the NY state accent sucks, whether its jersey or otherwise.

For some reason I like this post.

EDIT; oh yeah apart from one thing;
Arrogant "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

I know that democracy is not the only kind of functional government, but I don't see how thinking such is arrogant....thats not an anti democracy statement is it fuzzy??

(apart from that great post though.)

[fuzzylumpkins]

its not anti democracy case, its anti the american viewpoint that any non democratic government is a flawed one.

[case]

EDIT; wait a minute, do you mean a 'non democratic' government meaning not a democrat party government or do you mean 'non democratic' as in a dictatorship?

[fuzzylumpkins]

the second one. although replace dictatorship with any non democratic form of government. I'm not anti democracy, I'm just not so blind as to think its the be all and end all of governments.

[nyx]

I think I've spent a year in total in America since I was born and I fucking love most Americans. They are a lot more open and less reserved, not that I wan't to stereotype.


Agreed completely, of course this isn't true of everyone, but I do like the much more loud and open culture.



Some of my best friends are American, I'd like to live there for a while some day.

[case]

its not anti democracy case, its anti the american viewpoint that any non democratic government is a flawed one.

I dont know where to begin. Firstly, a non democratic government must be a flawed system as if it wasn't that would suggest that it was flawless, which is impossibe, all systems of government are flawed in one way or another; some more than others.

A 'non democratic government' is flawed because people do not get a vote to be able to get rid of the govenment by popular demand, thus allowing the government to be able to do anything to its people.

Ok, democracy is flawed too....I would go into some examples but I am tired.

Secondly, what you are bacically saying is that it is arrogant to believe that a dictatorship is okay, but in the modern western world most people, im sure most people believe that it isnt. Democracy is one of the cornerstones of a truly free society im sure, how can freedom work in a one party state, when the lack of a vote makes it too easy for the rulers of that society to abuse their powers? With no democracy there would be no function for any other party than the ruling one, and therefore no one putting forward any opposing policies. Whoever was in power would end up with way too much power.

Can you name one Police dictatorship that was/is a batiston of freedom? because Im sure that most of them are/were ruled by despots.

In a non-democratic system, im sure the only other option to some kind of dicatorship/one party state system, would be some kind of anarcist system. Anarcism is a nice idea but im sure that it would not work. How would you build roads, run schools and do other public services without a government?

[n0iZe]

You're all so sweet.

Fuck you, Fuzzy! :D EH!?

[Tim]

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The americans on tf are great, the ones i met in florida were great

i just think i hate hicks
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[ficti0n]

I'm sorry Tim but have you actually been to America or met a good amount of Americans?

And I've met much bigger douchebags in Canada when I've travelled to Quebec skiing. All they go on about is how much they hate Americans, just makes you look sour. And you can say Quebecoids or whatever you call them are very different to mainland Canadians but that's my point you can't judge all of America by your bordering states.

EDIT: No offence fuzzy, you seem cool. You must be part American!

[fuzzylumpkins]

don't be hatin' on the eh's noize :P they're the coolest part of my culture.

case... I don't know where to being with you. You've either purposely missed my point in order to be argumentative, or you're just dumb. I'm not sure. Either way, I've gotta go to work soon and therefore am going to just leave your comment alone.

and upon being further awake, let me rephrase my previous statement.

I don't hate americans, I hate "The American People" as a whole. (if that makes any more sense lol)

[edit: missed fiction's post:

My judgement is based more on years of being exposed to american media than upon my experience with american people lol. Like I said, I don't mind americans themselves.

and I know you've already addressed this...but judging canada based on quebec? :P they're like a separate country lol. ]

[nyx]

I've been to Canada a couple of times, and they're nice too. Less in your face which is nice, haha.

[iLake]

I live in America and I can't stand most of the country's inhabitants. Home of the most ignorant twats I've ever seen. So, if I were offered to live in another country, I'd gladly take the offer.

[n0iZe]

Eat poop and die, non-believers!

xD.

[CHIPstick5]

I dislike the annoying 13 year old Americans that i sometimes end up playing online with as they are loud, irritating, have no clue what they are doing but think everyone else should do the exact same as what they are doing because they must know best because they have the microphone and because they can use it they think they own all because of this solitary fact. (Yes that is supposed to be one long winded sentence)

But overall Americans are alright

[Tim]

jon im not saying i hate all americans, but for the 'land of the free' its pretty harsh to go out and kill people who say they hate nascar and gays and any one for that matter who don't believe what they do, thats what i mean by hicks, plus yes i know that video is 'only' a handful of americans, the thing is though from what I know they stereo type the rest of the world, unless of course they world in tourism in which they will surely have learnt about other cultures.

I don't hate americans, i just think there are a huge amount of idiots there, but there are idiots everywhere in the world lets face it. Hicks and chavs, bunch of wankers

[rosie1]

american accents drive me crazy

[tf_arl_90]

To dislike anyone based on nationality is a load of bullshit, for reasons most people in this thread have already stated.

It's like saying, "I dislike blacks" or "I dislike homosexuals" - until you have met every single person of a particular group your opinion is probably not well grounded. You are merely limiting yourself by holding such views.


well being from Canada, I have a large pool of experience to draw from, given that I live about 45 minutes from the border.

I can honestly say that while I don't hate any specific americans, I do hate amercians (in a general sense).

The country is (of course there are individual exceptions, and thats what I mean by the previous statement) fat, loud, arrogant, classist, dogmatic, and narcissistic.

Fat - you cross the border and instantly the size of people enlarges. I'm not talking by a few pounds either. These are "mc-sized" people. These people are gross, and for some reason like to blame being fat on genetics and not the sedentary snickers filled lifestyle they exist in.

Loud - i don't really need to qualify this do I? They're loud.

Arrogant - "The american way is the right way" "america is the greatest country on earth" "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

Classist - again, do I need to quantify this? Their cars and outsides of their houses are the most important thing to them. Its all about appearances. (classist may not be the best term, but I just woke up)

Dogmatic - in america, the jury is stil out on whether evolution happened or not. In some places its not legal to teach evolution, even from a "holy shit god did all this" stand point.

Narcissistic - americans are in love with themselves. if people disagree with this, tell me and I'll get off my ass and post a fucking novel about it.


so in short, I don't hate any american as a person, I HATE americans.

oh and the NY state accent sucks, whether its jersey or otherwise.

How many places in the US have you visited?

[fuzzylumpkins]

well, I've been to NY, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Florida and Washington DC.

but you miss my point. and perhaps it is a bit abstract.

Its not that I hate americans, I hate "The American People" (ie/ how the country presents itself to the world). The people are usually nice enough.

[eukaryote]

I don't hate Americans. To say you hate everyone of a certain group is just ridiculous, because everyone is different. Everyone is an individual.

I hate how easily misled so many Americans are by politics and the mass media. The complete bull crap that went on in 2003 and 2004 really made me hate American politics and the media, and I can't blame other countries for getting mad.

I am an American, and I'm proud of my country. I have no problem with saying I think America is the best country on earth, because that's just plain patriotism. Just like I would expect a Canadian to say Canada is the best country on earth, and so on. If they don't want to say that, that's fine. But I wouldn't be so ridiculous as to hold that kind of thing against someone.

I don't support everything my government does. I don't support everything everyone votes for. I hate our healthcare system, for example. But I accept that no nation is perfect, and I'm still happy to live here.

And no, I'm not overweight, I believe in evolution, I'm normally quiet and shy, and I drive one old car that gets me from point A to B because I have to.

I don't understand what you said about evolution being illegal to teach, fuzzylumpkins.... I can't think of one state where it isn't illegal to not teach evolution in a public school. It's illegal to teach Creationism, and even Intelligent Design depending on the state.

[ficti0n]

I don't hate Americans. To say you hate everyone of a certain group is just ridiculous, because everyone is different. Everyone is an individual.

I hate Vaticans.

[tf_arl_90]

well, I've been to NY, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Florida and Washington DC.

but you miss my point. and perhaps it is a bit abstract.

Its not that I hate americans, I hate "The American People" (ie/ how the country presents itself to the world). The people are usually nice enough.

So then how the country presents itself to the world is not an accurate representation?

Why foster hate against an inaccurate representation? Why not simply dismiss it as ridiculous then?




I don't understand what you said about evolution being illegal to teach, fuzzylumpkins.... I can't think of one state where it isn't illegal to not teach evolution in a public school. It's illegal to teach Creationism, and even Intelligent Design depending on the state.

I think the importance lies more in whether it's a public or private school. Many private Christian schools teach creationism, not evolution. However, here are some states and their requirements, as of 2005: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4630737

[eukaryote]

I think the importance lies more in whether it's a public or private school. Many private Christian schools teach creationism, not evolution. However, here are some states and their requirements, as of 2005: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4630737
Interesting link... and yes, that makes sense that Christian private schools teach Creationism and not evolution. But meh, those are private schools, not government owned and regulated public schools.

[zeeryan]

Thanks for all the insight guys! good stuff here

[tf_arl_90]

Interesting link... and yes, that makes sense that Christian private schools teach Creationism and not evolution. But meh, those are private schools, not government owned and regulated public schools.

Yup. As you can tell from the link most public schools merely frown upon evolution, or do something like put a "warning sticker" *GASP!!!* on books that contain info on it. Rarely do public schools not teach it at all.

Could there be some pressure from teachers who want to teach creationism over evolution? Maybe. Can't really quote any numbers though on that one.

Back to the more general topic, I don't seem to fit any one of fuzzylumpkins' stereotypes either. Neither does anyone I know. Oddly enough I have friends who live in all the states he's mentioned, been to all those places myself, and spend most of my time in New York and Washington DC.

Perhaps you are simply meeting the wrong types of people? The people you describe are often dramaticized on TV. Not saying they don't exist, but it's hardly a reason to "hate the American people," as you put it.

You might hate my accent though. It's not a NY state accent as you probably hear being close to the border, but I did grow up in the metro area and occasionally drop my r's and add 'aw' where it doesn't need to be. ;)

[fuzzylumpkins]

fuuuucckkkk me. Ok, so you and you're friends don't fit my broad generalization of all americans. sure. whatever.

You want arrogance? The american government's review of its healthcare system has allocated none of its budget to a review of other country's systems. Despite the fact that the U.S. typically ranks very low on surveys of healthcare among industrialized nations. Thats right, in an effort to reduce healthcare, there will not be one person allowed to discuss another nation's system. Why is this? because they want a solution that is "uniquely american." oh wait, this covers narcissism too.

You want FAT? The U.S. is home to a number of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, and the Fat Underground. These organizations hold that diet promoters are exploiting fat citizens, and that rather than lose their whale blubber, society should change to consider fat sexy. These organization's MOs include disrupting weight watchers meetings, pro fat rallies, and zines such as Fat!So? (http://www.fatso.com/).

Dogmatic? alright lets see, you've got the entire pro-life movement which while not explicitly religious, is at least implicitly (blah blah you knew some atheist against abortion, sure there are exceptions so sue me). Then you've got as you described, stickers on textbooks warning kids that the book teaches evolution (be still my beating heart). Then you've got the fact that every president you've ever had has been a christian (thank you, the christian vote). I could go on, but seriously, I'm not an expert in these things, I'm stating my opinion.

Sorry I can't find any solid proof to back up my belief that you're loud. so sue me. I think you're loud.

Classist? Alright, well theres your healthcare system, which I mentioned above, which only provides healthcare to those who can afford it. Theres the fact that right now the gap between the rich and the poor is the largest its every been. That the countries elite school's cost at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars a year (wah wah wah scholarships. ok sure, so theres a chance that MAYBE 1 poor kid gets in a year). I'm not saying that canadian universities don't cost money, but our tuition fees are peanuts compared to american education.

so basically, without money, you can't go to elite schools or get healthcare? yeah I'd say theres some classism there.

I'm not going on, nor am I posting more examples. I'm not saying all your friends weigh 10000 pounds and hate poor people. I'm just saying that as an outsider looking in, your country seems to fit these generalizations nicely.

[n0iZe]

Well, we don't really have much of a say in our government anymore, and if a few fat fucks feel like fitting in, they created a little group to suit themselves.

As for the rest of us, the majority of us don't really accept that healthcare is like that, and there isn't anything we can do about it. :/ It's not like everyone down here lines up behind our government.

[fuzzylumpkins]

wasnt trying to say that at all noize, just defending my point.

[tf_arl_90]

You want arrogance? The american government's review of its healthcare system has allocated none of its budget to a review of other country's systems. Despite the fact that the U.S. typically ranks very low on surveys of healthcare among industrialized nations. Thats right, in an effort to reduce healthcare, there will not be one person allowed to discuss another nation's system. Why is this? because they want a solution that is "uniquely american." oh wait, this covers narcissism too.

You want FAT? The U.S. is home to a number of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, and the Fat Underground. These organizations hold that diet promoters are exploiting fat citizens, and that rather than lose their whale blubber, society should change to consider fat sexy. These organization's MOs include disrupting weight watchers meetings, pro fat rallies, and zines such as Fat!So? (http://www.fatso.com/).

Dogmatic? alright lets see, you've got the entire pro-life movement which while not explicitly religious, is at least implicitly (blah blah you knew some atheist against abortion, sure there are exceptions so sue me). Then you've got as you described, stickers on textbooks warning kids that the book teaches evolution (be still my beating heart). Then you've got the fact that every president you've ever had has been a christian (thank you, the christian vote). I could go on, but seriously, I'm not an expert in these things, I'm stating my opinion.

Sorry I can't find any solid proof to back up my belief that you're loud. so sue me. I think you're loud.

Classist? Alright, well theres your healthcare system, which I mentioned above, which only provides healthcare to those who can afford it. Theres the fact that right now the gap between the rich and the poor is the largest its every been. That the countries elite school's cost at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars a year (wah wah wah scholarships. ok sure, so theres a chance that MAYBE 1 poor kid gets in a year). I'm not saying that canadian universities don't cost money, but our tuition fees are peanuts compared to american education.

so basically, without money, you can't go to elite schools or get healthcare? yeah I'd say theres some classism there.

I'm not going on, nor am I posting more examples. I'm not saying all your friends weigh 10000 pounds and hate poor people. I'm just saying that as an outsider looking in, your country seems to fit these generalizations nicely.


First of all, had I known you meant our government and the policies of our government I might have agreed with more of what you said, especially when it comes to health care. But when you say you hate "the American people" sorry, but governmental policies did not come immediately to mind. Especially when you follow with the statement, "the people are usually nice enough."

Dogmatic? People who are religious are not dogmatic. Sure, some of them are, but not all. The Bible belt and some of the ridiculous policies there are not representative of the entire country. And recent studies have found the number of atheists/nonbelievers is going up, and less people consider themselves Christian. http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid74687.asp

And the classist thing? You at first complained about people wanting to show off their cars, not about the gap between the rich and the poor. If there's such a divide, which there is, aren't there a lot of people at the bottom end who don't have nice cars and nice fronts of houses to show off? I guess they don't really fit into your original statement either.

Obviously I'm not disagreeing with you on the fat thing. What, 60% of the nation is overweight? I'm not sure on the exact statistic but it's about that and there's no disputing it. But why hate people based on that?

So what is it, do you dislike American people or do you dislike American policy? And don't try to say "the people elect the politicians" because there are only two main political parties. Options are limited for people who don't consider voting for third party candidates.

[Tommeh!!!]

'People' splits into two categories for me, one remains 'people' the other is 'arseholes'. Let us say, Noize and Getdrunk for example. :P

The way i see it is just that there seems to be a pretty standard ratio in the world...so when it comes to America...i think its just cause theres lots of people there for a wedge of them to be arseholes. law of averages and all that.

Although the one general thing that bothers me slightly is the ignorance of the rest of the world...i know it doesnt apply to everyone, but its something you see a lot of on tv, etc and ive encountered it a lot personally too. more of a shame than anything.

[eukaryote]

You want arrogance?[/B] The american government's review of its healthcare system has allocated none of its budget to a review of other country's systems. Despite the fact that the U.S. typically ranks very low on surveys of healthcare among industrialized nations. Thats right, in an effort to reduce healthcare, there will not be one person allowed to discuss another nation's system. Why is this? because they want a solution that is "uniquely american." oh wait, this covers narcissism too.
Absolutely right... I hate the US healthcare system. It is my number one complaint as a US citizen. And the number of Americans who are fed up with the healthcare system are growing. That's why they run commercials on TV for petition websites and such where Americans go and join. It's also the leading reason I voted for Obama and not McCain - because I think Obama is more likely to do something to actually fix it. Our healthcare system didn't used to be so messed up, but it is now, and the problem's been neglected.

I don't know what you mean by "allowed to discuss" though.... Many people have called for a Universal Healthcare system similar to what the other industrialized nations have. The problem is so many conservatives fear it will lead to "socialism." And then the liberals don't like the conservative solutions either. And with both sides fighting, nothing much gets done.


You want FAT? The U.S. is home to a number of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, and the Fat Underground. These organizations hold that diet promoters are exploiting fat citizens, and that rather than lose their whale blubber, society should change to consider fat sexy. These organization's MOs include disrupting weight watchers meetings, pro fat rallies, and zines such as Fat!So? (http://www.fatso.com/).
Why is that a reason to dislike Americans? There are bad people in America who exploit people, just like there are bad people who exploit people every where. It is disgusting what organizations like that do, but you can't judge an entire country based on those jerks.

There is an obesity problem in America, no doubting it. Because 1) the servings given at restaurants are too big and still growing 2) fast food is too convenient, too quick, too cheap, and too tempting for so many Americans who are living frantic, stressful lives. It's a huge lifestyle problem.


Dogmatic? alright lets see, you've got the entire pro-life movement which while not explicitly religious, is at least implicitly (blah blah you knew some atheist against abortion, sure there are exceptions so sue me). Then you've got as you described, stickers on textbooks warning kids that the book teaches evolution (be still my beating heart). Then you've got the fact that every president you've ever had has been a christian (thank you, the christian vote). I could go on, but seriously, I'm not an expert in these things, I'm stating my opinion.
Well, first off.... Not every president has been Christian. And abortion is legal, despite how some don't support it. And yes, the people that are pro-life are usually religious in America. The two just go together for whatever reason a lot of the time. And yes, the evolution thing is ridiculous, but at least it's mandated that it's taught (whereas Creationism can't be) in public schools. And I never got one of those stickers on my biology textbooks.


Classist? Alright, well theres your healthcare system, which I mentioned above, which only provides healthcare to those who can afford it. Theres the fact that right now the gap between the rich and the poor is the largest its every been. That the countries elite school's cost at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars a year (wah wah wah scholarships. ok sure, so theres a chance that MAYBE 1 poor kid gets in a year). I'm not saying that canadian universities don't cost money, but our tuition fees are peanuts compared to american education.
I know. It's ridiculous. Those are all issues that many, many Americans are concerned about and are angry over.

[tf_arl_90]

Well, first off.... Not every president has been Christian.

Who hasn't? I can't think of one.

[fuzzylumpkins]

oh shit. you mean a debate started with inflammatory remarks is going to end in a disagreement on semantics? fuck me. and here I thought we were having fun.

If I define "The American People" (notice the proper nounage) as the face of the United States as presented by both American and International Media, plus the policies of the American government, combined with the sweeping factuality that your country is going to eat its fat bovine ass to death... do we agree on some level?

Though, if as a country, the population is powerless or unmotivated to act to change the laws and policies that govern the country (that are against popular opinion), do they not become promoters of this policy by following it?

oh but p.s. every president has been christian. I looked it up. There was one who was like... a closet deist or something, but in public he was a christian.

pps. I just got the biggest debate-on (think penis, but more argumentative) I've had since senior year philosophy class.

[Suraj]

Nah, I don't hate Americans, I don't hate anyone, it's their personally that would make me dislike them.

It's not like me to go and hate on someone just because of where they're from, I know tons of American people, some who are just like me.

When I went to America, everyone was friendly, everyone was cool, i loved it.

[Tommeh!!!]

Nah, I don't hate Americans, I don't hate anyone, it's their personally that would make me dislike them.

It's not like me to go and hate on someone just because of where they're from, I know tons of American people, some who are just like me.

When I went to America, everyone was friendly, everyone was cool, i loved it.

did everyone ask you if you were from Australia? i got that everywhere!! couldnt quite understand it. :P

[Buttons93]

^^ I always thought you were from Australia when I first joined.. :-S you have that Aussie look about you :P

[Tommeh!!!]

haha, oh, maybe its just me then. :/ my pole vault coach thought i was an Aussie too after id had like 3 sessions with him....maybe i sound Australian :s

[Suraj]

Haha nope, I did get a few Spanish questions though, that's quite a compliment, spanish people are quite good looking people ;)

But I did get asked to say "water" and "bath" a lot by the girls, they're lovers of the English accent!

[tf_arl_90]

oh shit. you mean a debate started with inflammatory remarks is going to end in a disagreement on semantics? fuck me. and here I thought we were having fun.

"I dislike Americans" is very different from "I disagree with American policies"

The topic is literally named, "do you dislike Americans," not, "do you disagree with American policies?" So excuse me if I thought your remarks were insulting and stereotypical.

You at first called Americans loud, fat, narcissistic, among other things. Then you went on to talk about our health care system and the gap between the rich and the poor.

So yeah, what you said was extremely unclear and misleading.


If I define "The American People" (notice the proper nounage) as the face of the United States as presented by both American and International Media, plus the policies of the American government, combined with the sweeping factuality that your country is going to eat its fat bovine ass to death... do we agree on some level?

Thank you for clarifying that.


Though, if as a country, the population is powerless or unmotivated to act to change the laws and policies that govern the country (that are against popular opinion), do they not become promoters of this policy by following it?

Yes. Of course. And I agree it's ridiculous.

Now some people don't vote or participate in politics because they don't have an interest, but I wouldn't call that laziness I'd call that ignorance. Both are a bit disappointing to me, personally. On the other hand, I'd rather someone who doesn't have a clue about politics not cast a vote than vote for whoever their parents/friends are voting for.

But this has nothing to do with whether my American neighbor is an asshole, or fat, or gives a damn about what the front of his house looks like. (are you beginning to see my point?)


oh but p.s. every president has been christian. I looked it up. There was one who was like... a closet deist or something, but in public he was a christian.

I'll venture a guess, was it Jefferson? I think he was raised Christian but I believe he was a very strong deist during the majority of his political career.

A lot of the founding fathers were deists, some were closet atheists. Besides that, all presidents are Christian or at least present themselves as Christian. I'd be interested in who eukaryote thought wasn't Christian.

[tf_arl_90]

did everyone ask you if you were from Australia? i got that everywhere!! couldnt quite understand it. :P

lol I have difficulty telling the English and Australian accents apart. Usually English accents are stronger and more noticeable, whereas the Australian accent seems to be lighter. I'm sometimes wrong though lol

[case]

well being from Canada, I have a large pool of experience to draw from, given that I live about 45 minutes from the border.

I can honestly say that while I don't hate any specific americans, I do hate amercians (in a general sense).

The country is (of course there are individual exceptions, and thats what I mean by the previous statement) fat, loud, arrogant, classist, dogmatic, and narcissistic.

Fat - you cross the border and instantly the size of people enlarges. I'm not talking by a few pounds either. These are "mc-sized" people. These people are gross, and for some reason like to blame being fat on genetics and not the sedentary snickers filled lifestyle they exist in.

Loud - i don't really need to qualify this do I? They're loud.

Arrogant - "The american way is the right way" "america is the greatest country on earth" "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

Classist - again, do I need to quantify this? Their cars and outsides of their houses are the most important thing to them. Its all about appearances. (classist may not be the best term, but I just woke up)

Dogmatic - in america, the jury is stil out on whether evolution happened or not. In some places its not legal to teach evolution, even from a "holy shit god did all this" stand point.

Narcissistic - americans are in love with themselves. if people disagree with this, tell me and I'll get off my ass and post a fucking novel about it.


so in short, I don't hate any american as a person, I HATE americans.

oh and the NY state accent sucks, whether its jersey or otherwise.


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[fuzzylumpkins]

your damn right it does. and we like it like that (actually, I just opened one of those bags)

...milk doesn't come in bags in the states ? :S

[clockworkmice]

Neither does it come in bags anywhere else in the world as far as I know...

Clockworkmice

[fuzzylumpkins]

dude. you all have no idea what your missing XD

[Tommeh!!!]

the only bags i know milk to come from are fun-bags.

[fuzzylumpkins]

but..but...how can you tell if the milk is bad from cartons? other than drinking some?

We have cartons too, but they're significantly more expensive than bags, so unless you just need a litre or two, everyone goes with the bags :D

[getdrunk]

Milk comes in bags? Thats mest up!

[-Michael-]

I just hate GetCock lol

[ficti0n]

My bar manager at the bar I worked at for the past year was Canadian. He was a nice guy and hated Americans.

[Tommeh!!!]

I think that the problem with America can be summed up with one word: apathy. People are fat because they don't care about their health enough to do anything. People are narcissists because they don't care about anyone else. People are classist because they don't care about anything except "getting ahead," no matter how many people they have to trample to edge out the competition... the list goes on.

Attack that belief if you will, and I'll be happy to debate it with you.

But, as far as the question goes: yes, I hate Americans. Why? They're apathetic. Pure and simple. (For the record, I'm an American.)

I think thats a very good theory...but in the way that i see that, it applies to most of the world, not just the states.

[Burias]

I think that the problem with America can be summed up with one word: apathy. People are fat because they don't care about their health enough to do anything. People are narcissists because they don't care about anyone else. People are classist because they don't care about anything except "getting ahead," no matter how many people they have to trample to edge out the competition... the list goes on.

Attack that belief if you will, and I'll be happy to debate it with you.

But, as far as the question goes: yes, I hate Americans. Why? They're apathetic. Pure and simple. (For the record, I'm an American.)

[-Michael-]

I think that the problem with America can be summed up with one word: apathy. People are fat because they don't care about their health enough to do anything. People are narcissists because they don't care about anyone else. People are classist because they don't care about anything except "getting ahead," no matter how many people they have to trample to edge out the competition... the list goes on.

Attack that belief if you will, and I'll be happy to debate it with you.

But, as far as the question goes: yes, I hate Americans. Why? They're apathetic. Pure and simple. (For the record, I'm an American.)

Cause we can't see your location?? lol :P

[Thok]

Tommeh, how exactly did you manage to quote a post that wasnt written for another 2 hours after you quoted it???
Im compleatly stumped!

[emzi-bob]

No, I effin don't not after watching America's Got Talent. What a bunch of hypocritical beings they seem to be.

[Tommeh!!!]

Tommeh, how exactly did you manage to quote a post that wasnt written for another 2 hours after you quoted it???
Im compleatly stumped!


Magic mostly. did i not tell you my time travelling abilities can also fuck with forums?

...sadly forums alone. :(

[getdrunk]

Americas so bad yet where the only ones out trying to maky other countrys better and safer??

[emzi-bob]

Americas so bad yet where the only ones out trying to maky other countrys better and safer??
Are ya fuck!

[case]

Americas so bad yet where the only ones out trying to maky other countrys better and safer??

Yes you are making countries safer, and maybe after you've done that you can travel to the land of dreams on a giant flying marshmellow with Jimi Hedrix, George Harrison, and a giant talking seahorse.

[Tommeh!!!]

Yes you are making countries safer, and maybe after you've done that you can travel to the land of dreams on a giant flying marshmellow with Jimi Hedrix, George Harrison, and a giant talking seahorse.

Dont say stuff like that, he might ACTUALLY believe you...

[getdrunk]

Dont say stuff like that, he might ACTUALLY believe you...

I so hope in 2012 America nukes england

[Burias]

I so hope in 2012 America nukes england

You're a jackass. England has been one of our best allies for a long time. You want to nuke tons of people because you don't like a few people from there. I don't go carpetbombing all of the trailerparks in the US because I don't like you.

[fuzzylumpkins]

i so hope in 2012, Qetzalcoatl returns and shoves all the getdrunks of the world up his ass and then leaves the rest of the world in its new utopic state.

[Tommeh!!!]

I so hope in 2012 America nukes england

America nuking Enlgand.....


.........................GETDRUNK LOGIC!

[Joe 90]

i don't hate americans... thats a very general thing... i hate ill-educated americans.

like all of the ones in that video Tim posted.

How can a country have such a poor education system? it's not even like theres a lot of American history that could of taken up all those school years - so why do none of them know anything outside of the US borders?
oh, and them guys at the end, all saying 'if george bush says it, we believe it' - thats one thing i can't stand.

best stop there. starting to rant. Obama ftw.

[getdrunk]

i don't hate americans... thats a very general thing... i hate ill-educated americans.

like all of the ones in that video Tim posted.

How can a country have such a poor education system? it's not even like theres a lot of American history that could of taken up all those school years - so why do none of them know anything outside of the US borders?
oh, and them guys at the end, all saying 'if george bush says it, we believe it' - thats one thing i can't stand.

best stop there. starting to rant. Obama ftw.

That vid is fake. You no how many people they had to walk up to just so the ycould get the stupidest wrong answers? I have never seen people so stupid that vid is not real they make it look like every person they walk up to is stupid. Knolage is power and usa has the most.

[Gem.]

That vid is fake. You no how many people they had to walk up to just so the ycould get the stupidest wrong answers? I have never seen people so stupid that vid is not real they make it look like every person they walk up to is stupid. Knolage is power and usa has the most.

Bit biased, aren't you?

I don't hate or dislike Americans, besides a few. But I have my reasons for that.
Afterall, they're just the same as anyone else in the world.
Every country have thier own spectacular people, more average people and thier total retards.

Don't actually get the point in this thread, as it just seems like an open gate to arguments.

[Webgamefavorite]

I don't care about Americans any more than I care about Venezualians, or Zimbabwians, or Japanese. All people from countries far away.

I hate some of the policies coming from America though.

[ficti0n]

I retract everything I said about USA, watching them now beating Brazil 2-0.

[ficti0n]

2-2 motherfuckersssss

[bethsy:)]

No, I can't hate myself right???

But to answer your question, no. I don't hate the inhabitants of the United States, or how we call them here "gringos". I go to the US monthly as I live nearby. They are friendly people, most of them. They are very talkative I like that.But I find Mexican-Americans to be ruuuuuuuuuude. OMG, and it's soooo funny because they have the "mexican" stamp written all over their faces, ugh I hate that. They are more mexican looking than I am....

I could go on but I won't. But they have their downsides as well as every country. First, their ignorance. Some of them are pretty ignorant. I had the chance of studying in the United States during my freshman year, I had a nice time but I used to get horrible remarks like:"I thought Mexicans were dark skinned and looked like Indians" WTF????? "Is Mexico in South America?" mmm nooo, it's in NORTH AMERICA idiots.At first when I got there, they started speaking slowly to me, as if I were an idiot.WTF????? I was there for a reason, in the AP program, mind you. They thought AP was the hardest thing in the world ¬¬

This girl just wanted to talk to me becuase she was pregnant of a Mexican boy, that was not my business but apparently she wanted to know more about the Mexican culture, I mean no problem with that. But that was the only reason she even talked to me
.On the other side, guys used to invite me out becuase they thought I was exotic looking, they thought I had the prettiest eyes ever. Mind you, I have brown eyes and brown hair. Not exotic to me, pretty normal but oh well.

So, no I dont hate you guys lol But I saw this video about this woman that thought that Europe was a country :| What???? She didn't knew what country had Budapest as it's capital...lack of geography lessons.And the education there is way behind, I was in 9th grade AP Algebra and I saw that during my 2nd year of secundary school LOL

[n0iZe]

Ugh. Don't let GetDrunk represent America. I live there too yanno. ;o

Do you at least love me? :D

[fuzzylumpkins]

ok, new people to hate: anyone from saskatoon. lol.

not that they aren't nice... but I walked my ass all over that city looking for anyone this side of the ugly line, and came up with snake eyes.

[Thok]

That vid is fake. You no how many people they had to walk up to just so the ycould get the stupidest wrong answers? I have never seen people so stupid that vid is not real they make it look like every person they walk up to is stupid. Knolage is power and usa has the most.
im afraid to say japan probably has more knowlege, specialy seeing as most new technology comes from there at the moment

[cuddlemuffin]

They're ok...

[Leon]

I hate some Americans yes, but I also hate some people from all countries.

Like y'do.

[XxlilsawahxX]

i have an american friend, lives in pennyslvania ... if i spelt that right .. and he hates america, keeps telling me that when he can afford it hes moving to england and studying here.OT... i dont have a problem with americans .. though the last time i actually visited was 2005, so well see if anythings changed come february.

[soggytoast]

i've still not forgiven them for the holocaust to be honest.

[Burias]

i've still not forgiven them for the holocaust to be honest.

I have no recollection of that event. It depends on what your definition of the word "them" is. I am not a crook. I did not inhale. And, other stupid American excuses...

[n0iZe]

Dicks! xD.

[soggytoast]

I have no recollection of that event. It depends on what your definition of the word "them" is. I am not a crook. I did not inhale. And, other stupid American excuses...
you don't remember the americans killing 6 million jews?

damn i guess their propoganda has been having some effect :(

[n0iZe]

Damn dirty Jews.

[Karin]

I don't have a problem with americans. I met a lot at work, they were always open and friendly.
I also thought about a trip to New York or another big city, but unfortunately its really expensive (around 2000 Euros for a 10-day-trip :/)

[case]

Milk comes in bags? Thats mest up! Best. Post. Of. The. Thread.

[Shane]

I don't have a problem with americans. I met a lot at work, they were always open and friendly.
I also thought about a trip to New York or another big city, but unfortunately its really expensive (around 2000 Euros for a 10-day-trip :/)
Jeeze, that is a lot. Wouldn't mind going there next year though. :)

[Incendiary]

I like Americans that I know. I have many cyber friends (from Florida, California, Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan and NY) and they're all beyond awesomeness.

as for the whole nation...
I'm not smart enough to judge all USA people.

[getdrunk]

I think every one sucks at less there from usa or bahamas

[case]

I think every one sucks at less there from usa or bahamas What? I don't understand. Anyway, the chef at my work is an American, and he's sound.

[B14ck J0k3r]

I don't have a problem with americans. I met a lot at work, they were always open and friendly.
I also thought about a trip to New York or another big city, but unfortunately its really expensive (around 2000 Euros for a 10-day-trip :/)

New York's where all the dicks live, come to Boston, we're fucking awesome! (and our baseball team the Red Sox smoke New York's Yankees any day!) =D

[Karin]

New York's where all the dicks live, come to Boston, we're fucking awesome! (and our baseball team the Red Sox smoke New York's Yankees any day!) =D

Maybe. Maybe :-)
But before I start to think about I have to save 2000 Euros -.-"

[Lockdown]

I am an American.. kinda. All I am going to say on this matter, is that we are not all the same.

[B14ck J0k3r]

I am an American.. kinda. All I am going to say on this matter, is that we are not all the same.

Looking at your picture of George W and reading your post...trying to keep my opinion to myself....

[Joe 90]

Looking at your picture of George W and reading your post...trying to keep my opinion to myself....

:locked: I feel thats to be said for a few

[soggytoast]

I am an American.. kinda. All I am going to say on this matter, is that we are not all the same.
that's true, some are fatter than others.



in all honesty, i rarely meet anyone american that actually likes other americans, so in that way they're a lot like brits

[Carlton]

America, I think is too diverse.....

[case]

Americas so bad yet where the only ones out trying to maky other countrys better and safer??

No what you're doing is deliberatly distabalising countries so that companies like Halliburton can get payed 20billion dollars in cost plus contracts to undo the mess you've made.



I so hope in 2012 America nukes england

bitches don't know about mah trident.

[Ajax]

Hmm, I had to think about this question for a while tbh.. No, I don't hate America in General. It has great TV Shows, and some great people. But, it has some terrible people too, fat "slobs" who lay around all day, stuffin' themselves with SuperSized meals, making them Supersized people.. Crying about benefits.. Get off your ass, lose some weight and get a job. K? As for the whole "Ghetto" thing, "I'ma beast, you wanna fuck wit' me" Sorta crap.. Get over yourself.. Yeah, you got guns, but that doesn't mean you're a beast. Look up "The Fighting Irish" or "Irish Gypsy Fighting" on Youtube.. That's crazy, that's "Tight" an hour long bare knuckle brawl? And they still go with half their face ripped open.. I'm not putting Irish on a pedestal of Glory, Hell, we can be assholes too.. But we don't go around with Guns and gangs, talking about Bloods, Crips, nor the KKK.. /rant. Now, the FRENCH... That's a complete nation I hate..

[ficti0n]

But, it has some terrible people too, fat "slobs" who lay around all day, stuffin' themselves with SuperSized meals, making them Supersized people.. Crying about benefits.. Get off your ass, lose some weight and get a job. K?

Sounds a lot like the UK.

[Ajax]

It does, doesn't it? xD Fcuking moochers.. :l Get a job hippies. x] Hell, we have benefit narbs here too. :l

[Will]

Nah americans are good for Jdams and stuff.

[vikus]

I love americans. At least the ones I've met. And they all have been really nice so no I don't dislike americans :)

[AgentLeo]

well being from Canada, I have a large pool of experience to draw from, given that I live about 45 minutes from the border.

I can honestly say that while I don't hate any specific americans, I do hate amercians (in a general sense).

The country is (of course there are individual exceptions, and thats what I mean by the previous statement) fat, loud, arrogant, classist, dogmatic, and narcissistic.

Fat - you cross the border and instantly the size of people enlarges. I'm not talking by a few pounds either. These are "mc-sized" people. These people are gross, and for some reason like to blame being fat on genetics and not the sedentary snickers filled lifestyle they exist in.

Loud - i don't really need to qualify this do I? They're loud.

Arrogant - "The american way is the right way" "america is the greatest country on earth" "democracy is the only kind of functional government"

Classist - again, do I need to quantify this? Their cars and outsides of their houses are the most important thing to them. Its all about appearances. (classist may not be the best term, but I just woke up)

Dogmatic - in america, the jury is stil out on whether evolution happened or not. In some places its not legal to teach evolution, even from a "holy shit god did all this" stand point.

Narcissistic - americans are in love with themselves. if people disagree with this, tell me and I'll get off my ass and post a fucking novel about it.


so in short, I don't hate any american as a person, I HATE americans.

oh and the NY state accent sucks, whether its jersey or otherwise.


Yeah, being from Canada confirms all of these accusations against us Yankees, I'm sure. Sounds like being America's hat is getting to you.

[Karin]

Sounds a lot like the UK.

well sounds like Germany as well ;)

[Hugga-Bear]

tbh, no. Parts of it I really dislike, the whole wannabe hard ghetto thing you guys have going on sucks, also dislike the way other cultures seem to suck up so much of yours, that sucks. But yeah, other than that no not really, I don't see why people being fat bothers others but there you go. I dislike a lot of your laws and policies, but then I dislike most of ours, so not much change there....yeah, you guys are alright. Oh, I don't like the way every american who games sounds, seriously either no one over 12 plays on a console over there or you're mics make you sound like children, either way it's bizarre.

[n0iZe]

Yeah, being from Canada confirms all of these accusations against us Yankees, I'm sure. Sounds like being America's hat is getting to you.


Ahahaha, worth quoting. xD.


"I'd tip my hat to you sir, though I'm afraid you'd fall off!"

[Cain]

Like some, can't stand some. Depends on who it is.