''French parliament debates Islamic veil ban''

[little.aimee.jo]

Bloody love it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10517707.stm


The French parliament is debating plans to ban the wearing of full Islamic veils in public.

Just saw it on the news.
It's not directly specifically at them though it's a general law to prevent faces being concealed.

Thoughts ?

[Kriskascini]

I think the fine about men forcing their wives to wear it is okay, but they (as in the women who wear it of their own accord) should be free to express their religious beliefs.

[Tommeh!!!]

I think its great. It puts down more of a good ground for 'This is how we do things, if you dont like it, bugger off.'.....but what a bold move for the frogs!!

I know its a religious thing, but people dont walk around in balaclavas, they wouldnt get away with it either...and as some people have ill-intentions, they shouldnt have the capability to hide their identity in a country they may intend harm to. A shame for the innocents, but at the same time if they cant stick to it, they dont go there, simple. A country has to look at the best interests of its people.

[little.aimee.jo]

Well if i remember rightly there's no actual rule saying that they MUST wear it and it's just them doing it on their own accord or husbands forcing them.
I think going ''its my faith though'' is a bit out of line because they don't HAVE to wear it.

There's a variety of headscarves where their faces are revealed if you look on the bbc link so... why need to wear the one that covers your identity.
We can't wear a hat or a hoodie which may or may not show your face so why should they be allowed to =/
Specially up city you'll get told to take your hat off even when it doesn't hide your face at all and yet you see a woman walk past and you can't even slightly see her eyes =/

[skorpion]

i think the line "this is how we do things here, if u dont like it bugger off" is a bit ignorant with all due respect

[andrea17]

Let's just say, I like to be able to read people's faces when I talk to them

[phaggot]

Well if i remember rightly there's no actual rule saying that they MUST wear it and it's just them doing it on their own accord or husbands forcing them.
I think going ''its my faith though'' is a bit out of line because they don't HAVE to wear it.

There's a variety of headscarves where their faces are revealed if you look on the bbc link so... why need to wear the one that covers your identity.
We can't wear a hat or a hoodie which may or may not show your face so why should they be allowed to =/
Specially up city you'll get told to take your hat off even when it doesn't hide your face at all and yet you see a woman walk past and you can't even slightly see her eyes =/the people who do wear it think they HAVE to you nigger, else they go to hell.

[Darts]

I completely empathise with Muslims who do wear the full veils. The only problem is I honestly do think that it causes problems in a British community, whether it should or not is something else, the fact is that it DOES.

I personally don't mind seeing people wear the full veils. The only multicultural issue I've ever had is when my muslim friends have told me they can't be seen with me in their home areas etc because they'd get beaten up, and when they've described the racist attitudes of their families and some of their friends.

That's nothing to do with Islam though, that's again just a bunch of individuals who are incredibly racist and ignorant.

[Jinxieminx]

It shouldn't be banned, they're entitled to their beliefs just as the next person is. Why try and stop them?

They should however, be required to show their face, if needed, to a female police officer.

[Tommeh!!!]

i think the line "this is how we do things here, if u dont like it bugger off" is a bit ignorant with all due respect

But its exactly how we are treated if we were to visit their countries!! People get too caught up in this over-the-top political correctness; 'oh we cant do that its their belief an how they do things, lets change our country and allow them to do things our own citizens wouldnt get away with.'

And then you go to some middle eastern and eastern countries...no alcohol, covering up at the beach, no personal displays of affection in public and of course: the women having to cover up with a veil... i know they arent all religious reasons, but its very much the same 'this is how we do things here' attitude.

Naturally if you break these rules they have a nice dose of punishment to deal out be it physically violent of just plain old being arrested and imprisoned.

And as England seems completely intent on bending over and taking it up the arse from the rest of the world, i find it refreshing to see the frogs standing up to something.....for once.

[skorpion]

those are extreme countries that i would never dream of going to like iran and saudi arabia
i suggest u go to lebanon, turkey, egypt, dubai, tunisia, morroco
I never had any of those problems u mentioned
actually i found people very welcoming and understanding

[Tommeh!!!]

oh right, well if they are places that you personally wouldnt go to that completely negates the fact-based point i was making. We're not discussing holiday destinations here.

Besides you mentioned Dubai...thats one of the places i was talking about, PDAs are illegal.

And if you think about it, they could still be people coming from these extreme countries...so once again, they shouldnt expect the world to bend to their needs, when they enforce, what we see as, unreasonable laws so thoroughly. its hypocritical.

[skorpion]

oh pdas is illegal in dubai, lets kick all those fucking foreigners out of britain
Have u ever left england or lived somewhere else ? I did have to deal with such clashes and when i hear an ignorant like u talk. i feel like shooting myself in the head
I do not think this is how we do things here attitude does get u anywhere considering how people have been immigrating around lately
oh wait, considering how smart u are, i do thing the army is the only thing that will suit u

[Tommeh!!!]

haha, you really are stupid arent you? When did i say kick the foreigners out of britain?? i was saying that when moving about the world people should embrace the rules of that country and not try and enforce their own and change other countries. How is that ignorant? i think its ignorant to expect special treatment because 'thats how you do things in your country'

Just because you gave a shit, inaccurate reply doesnt mean you need to put words in my mouth...try using your brain and bringing back some good replies. And the petty intelligence remarks? really??? im joining the navy anyway, not the army...and clearly YOUR ignorance shows in that you would assume that all positions therein require little intelligence...bravo on your hypocritical bullshit.

Ive lived in Germany twice, England twice, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar...so yeah ive moved around, ive also pretty much traveled the world and i love to experience culture and diversity, In that regard i also repect the rules of their country quite happily, what you dont seem to be able to comprehend is that its the fact that people who want you to do it their way, arent so happy to do the same when they go elsewhere.

So please, stop with the baseless assumptions and unfounded accusation and type me out something that doesnt look like an angry 14 year old wrote it.

[skorpion]

oh shit u lived in n ireland, Gibraltar and germany ? WOW. man thats impressive
was it different living in these countries u big moron ?
I brought that up to point out that if u lived somehwere different and I didnt mean moving from england to wales, ud realise that making a ban on one specific race would be wrong.

and wait.. its the navy isnt it? oh then u must be smart.. did u think i actually cared to remember which corps u are joining ?

this is getting pretty useless considering i think u are retarded and u think the same about me
but just so u know, this ban was forced on the govnt by lepen's friends,
If france did make the right decision by banning the islamic veil, i expect britain, spain, germany and the rest of the other european countries to do so too.. lets just wait and see

[Tommeh!!!]

You asked, i answered. I wasnt saying it made a difference or that it was impressive. You do realise that its not just ONE specific race dont you? The fact that the people who do are the only people who do it doesnt really come into it, like i keep saying you cant have double standards that are in favour of immigrants, its ridiculous. but i guess youll be too much of a fucktard to say anything of value to that.

'u big moron'....that is so rich. please, show me more of your intelligent insults.

Again with the ignorance about the forces, keep digging that hole, youre the one looking like an idiot. Oh and 'corps' are sections of the branches not the branches themselves...maybe touch up on info just so you know what you are talking about when trying to call someone stupid. I never mentioned what im doing. :)

Its only pointless because your argument delved pretty much straight into childish retorts like; your previous post, bringing the fact im joining the forces in to the discussion, baseless attacks on my intelligence, etc. There IS no point unless you can make a decent reply to the points ive made, but you seem to overlook them...im starting to think its either that you dont get it, or youre just a full-on idiot!?

Can porkloin make an intelligent post....lets just wait and see.

[skorpion]

oh shit not the porkloin insult, its too much to handle

I loved that "intelligent insult" comment, i didnt think people will notice, but i havent been spending a lot of time working on the developement my insults recently

now, i didnt say u should give immigrants special treatement. I just said that banning the islamic veil is too specific. its only relevant to muslims, which strikes more conflicts between the french and the muslims living in france
now.. about your army related shitty plans. I dont fucking care.. I never had or wanted to have any knowledge about the army or war or anything related to weapons
so whether u are joining the navy, the army, the intelligence bureau.. i dont give a shit. But i was saying that considering how smart u are shooting, killing, wars, assassinations is the only thing u should be doing
Now corps, branches, sections whatever man, I speak english as a 4th language, i dont take offences when people insult me on that

[little.aimee.jo]

the people who do wear it think they HAVE to you nigger, else they go to hell.

It's got nowt to do with their faith though
Yet they say it is

[Tommeh!!!]

requires a lot of thought for you to develop an insult does it?

Erm...yeah funnily enough it only targets them because they are the only ones wearing them...and although yes, it is a minority that are fanatics, there is still a security risk when it comes to identification. And if they really want to live there that bad, then they should prioritise, noones forcing them to live there, its a choice THEY make. I know a Muslim family and the women dont wear veils, so its obviously down to personal choice in regards to how they follow their religion, so i cant really sympathise.

Regarding the military stuff: you brought it up princess....and now you are writing lengthy drivel about a load of personal crap that i couldnt care less about, just drop it for your sake.

i wasnt insulting your language, i was insulting your intelligence...jesus fucking wept!!

[Leon]

Can we not just ban French people, in general?

[skorpion]

It does yeah considering i didnt learn english to insult people, i appologise for my poor insults,, big moron
If u did bother to read that article, the picture showed a women wearing a veil and holding a red passport, which i am guessing its a european passport possibly french
so if she didnt like the law where do u suggest she goes,
wait, u didnt think about that thats why i am calling u a retard
again.. in the army. or navy or whatever the fuck it is, u just follow orders like a dog does and dont question them.. it really suits u doesnt it

[Tommeh!!!]

Its pretty simple...dont use them because it makes you look like a chode.

Hmmm where do i propose she goes? well...how about elsewhere, where its NOT illegal?? pretty simple solution really it may be a bit tough...but again its THEIR CHOICE. Adhere to the rules or GTFO. I had thought of that, its just i thought the discussion would be a little more in depth than a surface problem that doesnt require much thought, i can see why you are still stuck at that first hurdle though.

again with the army?? I thought you didnt care but you just cant stop can you? And again, it shows what you know.

[skorpion]

Hmm.. it doesnt show what i know because u dont know what i know.

now.. u are saying that if a french women wants to weat that full veil thing for a personal belief she should get the fuck out of france because its her choice ?
i know that in islam there are different methods, depending on the "imam" they follow
like people from iran who do state that the veil is required for the women
so u think.. that women should leave the country, her life and her family and go somewhere else to wear what she wants ?
back to something u are missing, this rule was forced by le pen party members. n if u read a little bit about france history u might be able to reply in a way that hides ur hate towards those minorities

oh wait.. i just realised u wanted to discuss; fuck those immigrants who come to britain and get the rules bent in their favors and do whatever they like while we get restriced freedom when we go to the middle east

[Jinxieminx]

Can we not just ban French people, in general?

Didn't we hang a monkey once, thinking it was one 'o them?

[Leon]

Did we? =S

[Tommeh!!!]

haha you are ridiculous!! 'Hmm.. it doesnt show what i know because u dont know what i know'....yeah...ditto, but youve been going on about things like you DO know what i know. Whereas, you are making uneducated remarks...which is something i can at least base it on. You can call me ignorant but ignorance doesnt gauge intelligence anyway so thats nothing to go by.

I pretty much am saying that yes and already have, if she has a problem with the law she should either accept it or move...and for christs sake what kinda twat are you to think shed go by herself?? Ive already covered this on the fact that if it came in theyd have to prioritise. Its pretty much not worth replying to you as you seem to be one of those idiots that just sits on what they think is right and completely overlooks any points made to them.

I didnt miss it at all, i found it redundant because the outcome isnt changed by WHO enforced it. And what hate am i needing to mask exactly? I dont have any hate for them, but my lack of sympathy could be down to the fact that i think religion is a load of shit and id put security, even as little a threat as it is, WAY over someones personal beliefs.

And the last bit...well, you almost had a good reply there, but again you ruined it with random spouted bullshit that has no relevance to the discussion.

But i dont know if it makes you feel better being such a political-correctness-gone-mad warrior...i should warn you that noones gonna give you a medal.

[skorpion]

Oh man tommeh called me uneducated.. haha.. lets drop this ignorance and intelligence thing. u are obviously to retarded to realised i am smart

How is it redudant ? u do know who jean marie lepen is right ? I really think u shud google hi policies.
Now.. u are saying the french women who want to wear a veil should prioritise. urrrgh, i wish u were a bit smarter, france motto is liberte egalite fraternite.
liberte means freedome, egalite means equality. what happend to that ? dont u call this double standards to impose such a rule ?

i am trying to link ur posts to what i know but its not working and thats why i think ur posts are only based on ur hate

[skorpion]

its actually liberte egalite fraternite. ou la mort
meaning or death !

[Tommeh!!!]

Oh man tommeh called me uneducated.. haha.. lets drop this ignorance and intelligence thing. u are obviously to retarded to realised i am smart

How is it redudant ? u do know who jean marie lepen is right ? I really think u shud google hi policies.
Now.. u are saying the french women who want to wear a veil should prioritise. urrrgh, i wish u were a bit smarter, france motto is liberte egalite fraternite.
liberte means freedome, egalite means equality. what happend to that ? dont u call this double standards to impose such a rule ?

i am trying to link ur posts to what i know but its not working and thats why i think ur posts are only based on ur hate

LOL, no, i didnt call you uneducated, i said you made uneducated remarks, which you did. Man, keep up or at least read things properly.

Why is it redundant? because we are talking about the law being imposed not who is doing it.

Yeah i am saying that, thats what people have to do when laws are made. like i used to have a handgun, then they were made illegal to own and i had to get rid of it. not on the same scale of importance i know, but its the principle.

And holy shit, bringing up a countries motto?? 'Freedom and Equality' oooOOooooh what a perfect world we live in!!! do you not find those words to be somewhat of a lie even now without this law? Do i need to add 'naive as fuck' to the portfolio of skorpion?

Or maybe you are trying to make me out to be a racist because you got nothing else to go on? or you just cant comprehend the simple fact that i dont think religious reasons amount to much.

[skorpion]

i do think u are a racist, actually i think u are stupid too
u are one of those religion causes war, lets join the army and blow shit up to make problems disappear
Dont call me naive, if you are to invade another country to impose ur human rights rules.. u need to follow those rules and thats what i call double standards

now I said lepen imposed the law and that matters because he is the equivalent of nick griffins of france
they basically share the same: immigrants cause congestion
women enjoy sex . sex is rape, women enjoy rape kind of ideologies
So i dont think a law like that was imposed because its in the best interest of the french

[Tommeh!!!]

i do think u are a racist, actually i think u are stupid too

Oh really? i didnt get that from your broken record replies.:rolleyes5:



u are one of those religion causes war, lets join the army and blow shit up to make problems disappear

hahahaha, MORE baseless assumptions??? Jesus man, grow the fuck up.



Dont call me naive, if you are to invade another country to impose ur human rights rules.. u need to follow those rules and thats what i call double standards

If you are gonna start blubbering about 'freedom' and 'equality' being present then you are naive, and i will call a spade and spade ta. The rest of that...has nothing to do with the discussion...


now I said lepen imposed the law and that matters because he is the equivalent of nick griffins of france
they basically share the same: immigrants cause congestion
women enjoy sex . sex is rape, women enjoy rape kind of ideologies
So i dont think a law like that was imposed because its in the best interest of the french

Right...i dont agree with those ideologies...but you see...unrelated ideologies arent something to take into account when judging another one...thats just taking a biased approach to it.

[little.aimee.jo]

skorpion,
thanks for trashing a thread that was actually not half bad moron.
you fail to maintain an argument and fail at typing.

nergh =/

[skorpion]

aimee.. i am just gonna reply with... who the fuck are u ?

tommeh.. u know what, sure i am a moron and u are smart
good for u
i realised u know nothing about the thread and u just wanna express ur hate to immigrants

[Tommeh!!!]

tommeh.. u know what, sure i am a moron blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah *insert random petty shit here* blah blah blah

Nice cop-out...

[little.aimee.jo]

aimee.. i am just gonna reply with... who the fuck are u ?



what, because you can't come up with another failure of an insult ?

[Jinxieminx]

Did we? =S
Yep, Northern savages. (http://www.thisishartlepool.co.uk/history/thehartlepoolmonkey.asp)

skorpion,
thanks for trashing a thread that was actually not half bad moron.
you fail to maintain an argument and fail at typing.

nergh =/

We've already established that PorkloinBob's first language isn't English. You, on the other hand, have no reason to type like a retard. Ever heard of a comma?

Then again, we all know how much you value other nationalities and cultures, etc... :Yawn:

[little.aimee.jo]

Then again, we all know how much you value other nationalities and cultures, etc... :Yawn:
My mums dutch goonie and i intend to get dual naturalized when I'm over 18 so I do value other nationalities :p.

[Jinxieminx]

My mums dutch goonie and i intend to get dual naturalized when I'm over 18 so I do value other nationalities :p.

Might as well have said ''I HAV BLAK FRANDS'' there, tbh...

But okay.

[little.aimee.jo]

Might as well have said ''I HAV BLAK FRANDS'' there, tbh...

But okay.

Yeah that too... didn't think of that.

[Jinxieminx]

Yeah that too... didn't think of that.

Was pointing out the redundancy of your statement, not giving you ideas....

[lawlseanny]

It's got nowt to do with their faith though
Yet they say it is

I'm pretty sure you're arguing with the wrong person when it comes to this.

[phaggot]

It's got nowt to do with their faith though
Yet they say it isyou don't get it, some say it has all to do with the faith, those are the ones that wear it and think they'd go to hell if they don't

generalising according to those who claim it has nothing to do with the faith is not a valid point, islam is not one set of beliefs and acts, it's open to interpretation, much like christianity is, or any other major religion.

[skorpion]

your avatar is gay

[Beans]

this is awesome it's about time those arabs are made to take off their stupid turbans

[Jinxieminx]

Shut up Billy.

[skorpion]

first of all, a turban is worn by men and it doesnt cover the face
and I told u the other day, the turban is an indian tradition, and worn most by sikhs

[Tommeh!!!]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lfIAxnZB-v8/SNLy8j-iwgI/AAAAAAAABnk/eMqGLtSF_B8/s800/casting.jpg


http://dnr.wi.gov/fish/stampcontest/images/2010GLwinner.jpg

lol.

[skorpion]

Oh shit, i should have been more careful
thanks for pointing that out for me

[Tommeh!!!]

Oh shit, i should have been more careful
thanks for pointing that out for me

PAHAHAHA!! what was wrong with your first reply?


what the fuck is that? oh wait, i get it now. he casts the bait, i take the bait. I like beans....like...more than a friend, so i thought why not

that was it wasnt it? why did you feel the need to delete it?? Im not gonna bother replying in this thread because its gone off the rails enough as it is, but man...you are just made of gay.

[skorpion]

oh shit he called me gay, now i have to become gay.
why did u do that to me man ?

I just deleted it because i wanted to
why do u have a problem with that ?

and hey. not replying to the thread would be appreciated, thank u

[Vermilion Edict]

Your welcome.

[Jinxieminx]

You're welcome.
You're welcome.

[Beans]

first of all, a turban is worn by men and it doesnt cover the face
and I told u the other day, the turban is an indian tradition, and worn most by sikhs

yeah but arabs wear the same things, jewisism is so complicated i know it's ok to get things wrong from time to time.
they're all the same religion anyways

[Jinxieminx]

-.-

[skorpion]

yeah, that didnt make sense at all..

[Darts]

Your welcome.

I had a dream about you. You ordered a telephone line and broadband from my friend and I leaned over and saw that it was you and said "I know that person!!!" and then I spoke to you and it was all crazy. And your actual TF username was the name on the bill. I have some weird dreams.

[idk]

We're so paranoid of the Islamic world attacking us that we're going to enact intolerant laws. Yes.

[knight0022]

We're so paranoid of the Islamic world attacking us that we're going to enact intolerant laws. Yes.

no, it has to do more with the fact that french conservatives are much more extreme than north american conservatives.

[little.aimee.jo]

We're so paranoid of the Islamic world attacking us that we're going to enact intolerant laws. Yes.

No, it's to do with preventing people concealing their face and identity on the whole.

[Beans]

End of the day, religion is fucking retarded. Despite how it's always on about peace and shit, it never causes anything but conflict.

Good on the french of not being scared of the Eifel tower and other famous french shit maybe having a plane flown into them.

[phaggot]

the eiffel tower won't have 3000 in it at the same time though.

[knight0022]

whats wrong with religion?

[Prophet]

End of the day, religion is fucking retarded. Despite how it's always on about peace and shit, it never causes anything but conflict.nah yo, it's people's own interpretations on the world that's the problem, not the idea of religion

and even if you remove religion from the equation, there will always be another equivalent to it that will take its place and create conflict (example: land, people's rights, politics, science, technology, weapons, power, etc. etc.) yo

[knight0022]

yeah. "does nothing but cause conflict." lol.hyperbole is fun. humans are just conflictuary creatures my friend

[phaggot]

marxist

[Beans]

nah yo, it's people's own interpretations on the world that's the problem, not the idea of religion

and even if you remove religion from the equation, there will always be another equivalent to it that will take its place and create conflict (example: land, people's rights, politics, science, technology, weapons, power, etc. etc.) yo

True, but I think if you were to remove religion there'd be less conflicts based on people's hopes and expectations from reading a book or scrolll some dude wrote in his bath tub a couple of thousand years ago.

[little.aimee.jo]

True, but I think if you were to remove religion there'd be less conflicts based on people's hopes and expectations from reading a book or scrolll some dude wrote in his bath tub a couple of thousand years ago.

*cough* this is why Buddhism is respectable :D

[idk]

whats wrong with religion?

Theistic religion centers its belief on an emotionally-driven faith for a being(s) that can't be proved or disproved. The reality is that there are different things that humans are more and less likely to get emotional about. I'm not saying theistic religion is the only one, but it certainly is one of them. People are not going to kill over the number of nucleotides in a mutated bacteria cell, or which music they like better. That is unless they are insane.

The fact is that beliefs centered around emotion are the ones that are easiest to twist otherwise decent people to doing horrible things. That includes theistic religion.

I am by no means saying theistic religion is inherently bad, by the way.

[idk]

no, it has to do more with the fact that french conservatives are much more extreme than north american conservatives.


No, it's to do with preventing people concealing their face and identity on the whole.

I was being sarcastic.

[Njord]

True, but I think if you were to remove religion there'd be less conflicts based on people's hopes and expectations from reading a book or scrolll some dude wrote in his bath tub a couple of thousand years ago.
Wrong, and we can use recent examples like the Cuban Revolution/Russia-Georgian conflict/korean/viet/somalian wars, which had no religious 'motivations' or influences at all, as an example. Most, if not all, 'religious' conflicts are really thinly-veiled political movements that serve to convince a group of people that they are the oppressed parties, or should be oppressing other parties. Of course there are a host of other reasons, but religion has rarely, if at all, been one of them in recent years. Conflicts wouldn't change with the removal of religion. I barely even follow politics and know this guys. don't be ignorant.

[idk]

The Somalian wars? Are you kidding? Part of the war was to set up a theocracy. Now there's more chaos because the Ethiopians are invading. They are invading because they are a Christian nation threatened by Muslims.

Religion is not always a cause, but it is a powerful tool. To say things wouldn't change without the most often used tool of human manipulation for massive destruction is asinine.

[knight0022]

*cough* this is why Buddhism is respectable :D

off the top of my head i can think of two examples where buddhists persecuted others and started wars (korea 11th century and india)

[idk]

Surprise surprise, a religion that didn't follow its own original rules.

[phaggot]

OMG RELIJUN IS BAD U GUISE!l! LETS DISCUSS THIS KOOL NEW SUBJECT OF RELIJUN

[Njord]

Religion is not always a cause, but it is a powerful tool. To say things wouldn't change without the most often used tool of human manipulation for massive destruction is asinine.
And to say that people would not still be manipulated for said massive destruction is even more asinine. The largest modern global conflicts had nothing to do with religion, but somehow, religion is a key factor in a significant loss of life in wars.
Unfortunately, a 'god' of any name has very little do to with large-scale conflicts. Religion is a flag to rally behind, but as the largest conflicts in the past 100 years have shown, it is not the flag or even a major one at that. All modern wars are politically motivated.

And the Somalian wars were based on judicial control of the area. Ethiopia did not invade and retreat on the premise that it's Christians would be subject to persecution if Islamics took over Somalia. Though Christians are the majority, muslims themselves represent an extremely large portion of Ethiopian population. Rather Ethiopia and the US did not want splintering and unstable extremist/militant Islamic groups in control of the region. /quick google research/To further my point, the country elected a muslim present, and also is implementing sharia law as its judicial system.

[Prophet]

Surprise surprise, a group of people that didn't follow the religion's own original rules.

fixed yo

[idk]

And to say that people would not still be manipulated for said massive destruction is even more asinine.

Which wasn't actually part of my argument. I didn't say conflicts would disappear, I was saying they would simply be different.

As for the rest of the post, I'll accept that information and double-check my original source.


fixed yo

Thanks.

[Njord]

Which wasn't actually part of my argument. I didn't say conflicts would disappear, I was saying they would simply be different.

But that view doesn't provide the benefits of a world without religion. "Different" isn't better or worse. It's ambiguous and vague. And it definitely doesn't line up with "religion does nothing but cause conflict".
In this modern age, a country is not going to spend its resources and threaten the lives of its citizens simply to attack another country based on the religion the majority of its people believe in.

Trust me, if religion was a big factor in conflicts, we'd be attempting to convert/dissuade the beliefs of muslims in the middle east, instead of trying to win their sympathies/the heart of the people a.k.a. molding their political motivations.

[idk]

I'm not arguing that religion does nothing but cause conflicts, or that the world would be better without it. I was just saying that people can get emotional about it and that the world and conflicts would be different without it.

[Njord]

Well then you don't really have a grounded opinion about religion and conflicts. Just remember that in the future, because I'm sure I recall you bringing up that religion = war point before.

[idk]

I don't have a grounded opinion because I'm still changing my views on the subject. I used to think that religion = war, but I've changed my views since then.