Oh God Owen's Out

[0neill911]

What the hell are we going to do now! That was a hell of a fall

What do you think will happen

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[Tim]

just about to do a thread on this. we shud sub rooney wen needed and giv walcott ago. theres no point o bringin him if were not gunna try him.
also i think nxt match we will result to a 4-5-1 formation we rooney up front and lennon brought in

[0neill911]

:agree:100% from the replay looks like dislocation to the knee

i should know im a first aider

[Fairy]

I'm soooo sad :( !My poor beloved owen.........oh wel i stil hav roo left :P

[clueless]

this reminds me of the whole rooney saga before he was found to be fit. one player doesn't make the whole team.

[Luke]

Owen offered nothing. I can't see how he'll be missed.

It's a shame for the bloke though.

[NATAL!E]

Knocked me sick.
The fact you could actually see it popping out.
I've got a thing about knees.

Couldn't believe it though, they brought Rooney on, and he did sod all. Lol. Anyone see him when they took him off? Punching things and throwing his shoes on the floor like a little boy having a temper tantrum. Rofl.

[Pearson]

Iv said it for a while now, Owens our worst player in the starting 11. Crouch can offer us more. However this injury has just exposed the walcott situation even more, would people be as worried of an other injury if jermaine defoe was on the bench? no. Walcot cant play in the knock out stages, he's not good enough, rumours are that hes been playing very poorly at training and the scenior players arent impressed. O, and lets not underestimate Equdor, I think they beat Brazil in qualifying. There a tough team to beat

[Luke]

Couldn't believe it though, they brought Rooney on, and he did sod all. Lol. Anyone see him when they took him off? Punching things and throwing his shoes on the floor like a little boy having a temper tantrum. Rofl.

Rooney started Nat. It was Crouchy that came on.

[timswfc]

he is overated but it still good...dunt seem as sharp as he was 8 years ago
hes got a good scoring record and as long as he scores goals...but it asnt happened to him at world cup not bin 100% fit

i feel really sorry for him though its bin a terrible world cup for him. it wouldnt have bin as bad if hed of tuk defoe instead of fukin jenas...y on earth have we taken jenus we have so many central midfielders

we will go to 4 5 1 with hargreaves replacing owen and playin the holding midfield roll or we might stick with 4 4 2 and start crouch instead of owen

[Luke]

It's not about taking JJ. It's about taking Walcott. Or even fucking Hargreaves. Jenas is there as an extra attacking central midfielder as backup for Lampard/Gerrard. Carrick is the extra holding midfielder. Fuck knows why Hargreaves is even considered.

[timswfc]

carrick is naturally more of an attacking midfielder....wallcott is sumet special which may come in handy if we are loosing and his pace is immense...hes probably the fastest person in the world cup

hargreaves was decent v sweden and is underated...hes rarely played in his position...the holding role...which he did pretty well! But still we have too many central midfielders...joe cole is naturally a central player and beckham can easily play in the centre as he has done for real

jenas is overated and why on earth was he taken...offers nothing different to the squad! your just biased cus hes an exam forest man

[Luke]

Carrick has been molded into a defensive midfielder for England though, If he features then that's where it will be.

Theo Walcott travelling to the World Cup is the biggest disgrace ever. Never played a top flight game in his life and gets infront of the top English scorer Darren Bent and the deadly predator that is Jermaine Defoe.

Owen Hargreaves is one of the worst players i've ever seen pull on the three lions. He had an 'ok' game against Sweden. He only looked 'ok' because everyone else (apart from Joe Cole) were shit. Can't remember a game he's played for England where i've though "bloody hell, he's brilliant". He's just shite.

Yeah, if i'm honest, I hold JJ in quite high regard because he's a local lad and played for Forest and supports them. But, from an unbiased view, he's a very good attacking midfielder playing for one of the top English teams. He plays regular for them aswell. He's a much better player than Owen fucking Hargreaves. He only plays because he warms the bench for Bayern. Sven doesn't actually even see him play. Same with Walcott.

[NATAL!E]

Rooney started Nat. It was Crouchy that came on.

LOL.
Shows how much attnetion I pay.
But aye. He did sod all anyways, considering everyone was so excited for him coming back.
That was what I meant. Lol.

[Luke]

Give him time :P

The fat scouser will shine.

[timswfc]

But wallcott could just be that bit of magic that wins us the world cup or gets us through to the next round or wotever...if he gets given a chance...if sven doesn't bring him on then i agree its a disgrace bringing him...may as well have taken defoe

yeh jenas is decent but not as good as the other attacking options we have...maybe i would of taken king instead of hargreaves though....but once hargreaves came on for england a while bk and looked half decent but im not a big fan. He is underated though

also having an holding midfielder like hargreaves...who will do a better job than carrick in that role...gives us chance to have 5 int middle...giving gerrard and lampard a lisense to get forward more like they do for their clubs...before jenas would get on sven would either put cole of becks int centre and bring on lennon or downing so he isnt needed at all

[Luke]

Wayne Rooney could be that magic. It could have been Darren Bent or Jermaine Defoe. It's not more likely it will be Walcott. Infact, i'll bet good money he won't even score a goal.

[timswfc]

yeh but it gives the nation hope with wallcott....they all think that the future of england is secure with the likes of wallcott coming through and its something of a novelty having him there...hes something new..gives the fans excitment

he probably wont score but if he does including him will be the best thing sven has ever done

[Luke]

What excitement? Most fans i've heard think taking Walcott is bloody stupid.

[michelle]

poor owen - the knee was disgusting,
rooney did fek all in tht match i loved his little tantrum and his face when he got of the pitch tht made us all laugh.

[Luke]

Rooney did fuck all, yes. But so did everyone else apart from Joe Cole really.

[Tim]

yeah, owen hasn't been playin well ever since foot injury and it was a risk bringin him and walcott and rooney, jesus only 1 striker i hav confidence in and he barely move [crouch] lol. rooney will get better and hope he can hold 70 min. if England get hit by any more injuries to the 1st team, we can say gd bye to the wrld cup.

[Luke]

The only fit striker I have 100% confidence in is Wayne Rooney.

[Tim]

yeah am only confident in crouch not been bloody injured lol

[Pearson]

It's not about taking JJ. It's about taking Walcott. Or even f*cking Hargreaves. Jenas is there as an extra attacking central midfielder as backup for Lampard/Gerrard. Carrick is the extra holding midfielder. f*ck knows why Hargreaves is even considered.

I think Jenas is very overrated If im being honest, Id rather have hargreeves playing insted of Jenas.

But I dont think Jenas and Hargreeves really have much to do with this, at the end of the day Walcott shouldnt have gone to Germany. Defoe should have gone.

[Tim]

i agree that defoe shud av gone but not bleedin hargreaves

[Luke]

I think Jenas is very overrated If im being honest, Id rather have hargreeves playing insted of Jenas.

But I dont think Jenas and Hargreeves really have much to do with this, at the end of the day Walcott shouldnt have gone to Germany. Defoe should have gone.

He might be over-rated but is 10x the player Hargreaves is who only gets picked because he plays for Bayern Munich. Well, I say play, he warms the bench.

[Pearson]

In my opinion Hargreeves is better than Jenas, he's had alot of bad press and some sub standard performances for England, however he did a lot better against Sweden than Jenas would, Hargreeves is verstille aswell. I dont think he's a very good player, but I can understand Svens reasons for taking him. Were as, like Timswfc said, I cant really understand why Jenas has gone.

[Luke]

Jenas has gone because he can score goals. He could definatley do a job if Lampard/Gerrard get injured. He's a very attack-minded player.

Jenas couldn't do the job Hagreaves does because he's not a defensive player. Taking Hargreaves was stupid. All the fans were questioning taking Hargreaves, not JJ.

[God.]

4-5-1

Put in Carrick as a holding Midfielder, give the rest of the midfield a free role, whilst asking the two on the wing to hold their positions. Play Rooney upfront.

Done.

England 11 - 0 Equador

[Luke]

Do we really need a holding midfielder against Ecuador?

[Pearson]

Jenas has gone because he can score goals. He could definatley do a job if Lampard/Gerrard get injured. He's a very attack-minded player.

Jenas couldn't do the job Hagreaves does because he's not a defensive player. Taking Hargreaves was stupid. All the fans were questioning taking Hargreaves, not JJ.

If Gerrard or Lampard get injured and we play Jenas agaisnt teams like Holland, Argentina, Brazil etc. God help us. Theres no way possible Jenas could fill the boots of someone like Gerrard or Lampard. He's not good enough to play at this level in my opinion. Hargreeves on the other hand has played at a high level with Bayern, he's alot more versitle and in my opinon a better player than Jenas is. I can understand why Sven has taken him. I cant Jenas. Im not saying Hargreeves is a good player, just I can understand why he's in the squad.

And to be honest it doesnt bother me what the other fans are saying, Svens problem is he listens to the fans and media to much. He should do it by himself, next match we'l probably play 4-5-1 now thanks to the media, which would be fucking horrible.

[LukeEv_17]

news from the england camp is hargreaves to play right back and carrick to play the holding role in a 4-5-1 with peter crouch on the bench

[timswfc]

everybody thinks ecudors gona be a walk over...but dont forget they beat brazil in qualifying it will be no walk over!!! Theyll probs get every man behind the ball

yeh hargreaves offers something different than every1 else...his versatality being 1 thing...just tell me what different thing jenas offers? hes just lacking something that would make him good enough to play for england

now come on...defoe isnt exactly gona win us the world cup..may as well of taken wallcott he offers so much pace...taking him adds a spice to it...but defoe SHOULD of been taken INSTEAD of jenas..plenty of midfielders...not enough strikers

[LukeEv_17]

yeah I mean even if owen was fit and he took defoe instead of walcott i'ts still not enough. could have done with taking both defoe and walcott but I can't see sven playing walcott now. The thing with the 5-4-1 formation is leaving out crouch I know he's not the best of stikers and our midfield is capable of getting a few goals crouch has been playing better than expected but also it could benifit to save him for next round as he has played all 3 games and if he gets injured that leaves us with 2 strikers and if we find ourselves losing we need to bring both crouch and walcott on to try and turn the game round.

[Pearson]

news from the england camp is hargreaves to play right back and carrick to play the holding role in a 4-5-1 with peter crouch on the bench

Sven influenced by the media again. Rooney plays best when playing off another front man, ala Van Nistelrooy or Owen. 4-5-1 is terrible, it doesnt suit england at all. Svens so easily influenced by the media its unreal. It does my fucking head in, if the media had a campaign to get fucking John Smith in the squad he'd be in Germany now! Only one good things come out of this, Svens last game.

[LukeEv_17]

yeah i can't see steve maclaren been influenced like sven is

[Luke]

If you think Hargreaves would be effective against somebody like Argentina, playing the holding role, marking Riquelme then you'll be disappointed. Hargreaves is a nothing player. That's why a big, English club hasn't come in for him and likely never will.

I'm not saying JJ could fill Gerrard/Lampard's boots but he could definately do a job.

[Pearson]

If you think Hargreaves would be effective against somebody like Argentina, playing the holding role, marking Riquelme then you'll be disappointed. Hargreaves is a nothing player. That's why a big, English club hasn't come in for him and likely never will.

I'm not saying JJ could fill Gerrard/Lampard's boots but he could definately do a job.

Not for England, no not a chance. Id rather have Hargreeves playing against teams like Argentina than Jenas. And like I said, hes versitile, this brings something to the squad. In my opionion Jenas brings nothing at all to this squad. He wont play and im glad of it, hes not good enough at this level.

Likewise to the Riquelme situation, do you think Jenas would be able to handle the great Defenders and Defensive midfielders of the world? becuase I dont think he would.

[Luke]

Not for England, no not a chance. Id rather have Hargreeves playing against teams like Argentina than Jenas. And like I said, hes versitile, this brings something to the squad. In my opionion Jenas brings nothing at all to this squad. He wont play and im glad of it, hes not good enough at this level.

Likewise to the Riquelme situation, do you think Jenas would be able to handle the great Defenders and Defensive midfielders of the world? becuase I dont think he would.

Where's Hargreaves versatility? When he played at right back for England B he was awful. Worst player on the pitch by miles.

JJ is rated very highly in the football world. How much did Newcastle pay? £5M and Tottenham parted with around £8M for him. Two big clubs and two big offers. Nobody's even bid for Hargreaves. Even his own club don't want him.

I'm not sure whether JJ could or not. He'll be starting some European games next season with Spurs though so we won't have long to wait.

[timswfc]

at the end of the day we have plenty of players that can do what jenas does...and we dont have any that have the versatality of hargreaves

jenas v argentina would be just as bad as hargreaves v argentina...hargreaves has been linked with many english clubs over the years though

[Luke]

Linked with them, yes but nobody came in with a bid for him.

Carrick did a superb job as the holding midfielder today. He should retain his place for next Saturday. Hopefully by then Neville is back aswell so Hargreaves is back on the bench where he belongs.

[timswfc]

i dunno to be honest i barely watched the match n cunt tell who was who cus was in a bar a mile away from the screen so cunt c reet well! so i dunno how well carrick did

but obviously i would rather have nevile at right bk that hargreaves