Hurricane Katrina

[Patriot1776]

I've been keeping up with this and the situation is really bad in New Orleans. Although it's America it seems more like a third-world country down there. The streets are violent and they've had to order in National Guards from around the world just to keep the peace, but even then that isn't helping much. Their water and food are contaminated and many are dying of malnutrition and disease.

This is definately the greatest catastrophe this nation has seen since 9/11

[manutd 4 ever]

^ it wouldnt have been if the Bush addministration got off their ass and did someting sooner.

but why the fuck should they give a shit, they are getting their fat pay.

[Patriot1776]

^ it wouldnt have been if the Bush addministration got off their ass and did someting sooner.

but why the fuck should they give a shit, they are getting their fat pay.

The Bush administration has been doing things. The National Guard was ordered down by the Pentagon so it had to be approved by Bush, but you have to remember though that Bush does have other things to deal with. Because of the hurricane gas prices have sky-rocketed so they've has to release a couple of the oil-reserves. When it comes down to it there is very little they can do. It's usually the Red Cross that handles things like this.

[manutd 4 ever]

The Bush administration has been doing things. The National Guard was ordered down by the Pentagon so it had to be approved by Bush, but you have to remember though that Bush does have other things to deal with. Because of the hurricane gas prices have sky-rocketed so they've has to release a couple of the oil-reserves. When it comes down to it there is very little they can do. It's usually the Red Cross that handles things like this.



why didnt they send food rations down there quicker? why have they been so slow to react?

[Patriot1776]

It cost money to send those rations down. Also rations don't mean anything is it is dangerous to send people in to give it to them. It would have been almost impossible to distribute them if they hadn't had some sort of military involvment.

That's what many people don't realize. Distributing rations isn't free. They have to pay for the shipping,handling, and creation of the rations.

[manutd 4 ever]

It cost money to send those rations down. Also rations don't mean anything is it is dangerous to send people in to give it to them. It would have been almost impossible to distribute them if they hadn't had some sort of military involvment.

That's what many people don't realize. Distributing rations isn't free. They have to pay for the shipping,handling, and creation of the rations.

they would have been worried about the cost? they spend billions on going to war yet they cant spend enough to save their own people, if thats the case then we really do live in a fucked up world.

[Patriot1776]

First off war doesn't really cost billions of dollars. Second, like I said earlier, the response time to these things all depends on how quickly they can get the National Guard up and ready. The reason 9/11 has such a quick response was because the Vermont Air National Guard patrols a large portion of the East Coast. The hurricane caught everyone off guard. They knew it was coming but they didn't expect it to be worse than Hurricane Andrew.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

They can't fly rations down there because there are snipers sitting at the landing sites waiting to take down the troops so they can loot more. The people down there have lost their minds, which is understandable. They have NOTHING left.

This one actually isn't the governments fault. New Orleans is below sea level. They're never gonna be able to get all that water out. I mean, there are dead bodies just floating in the streets because the people rescuing don't have any where to put them. It's a mess. That's a large chunk of history gone.



Edit: And 9/11 had NATO in Rome, New York.

[*fender.chiq*]

The part which gets me, is that once the news had been let out that were would be violent weather on the way and to evacuate, the rich whites escaped, but the poorer blacks were left. Where's the justice equality there?

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

Everyone had fair warning a week in advanced to evacuate. Those who could did, those who couldn't, well, just stayed in their houses. It's sad, but it's how things work. If you can't afford it, you can't do it. I'm sure the rich blacks escaped, too. And trust me...there are plenty of whites down there suffering just as much.

A majority of it hasen't even been explored to search for stranded people because of how much is under water. They simply don't have the resources. We don't have the resources.

[manutd 4 ever]

First off war doesn't really cost billions of dollars. Second, like I said earlier, the response time to these things all depends on how quickly they can get the National Guard up and ready. The reason 9/11 has such a quick response was because the Vermont Air National Guard patrols a large portion of the East Coast. The hurricane caught everyone off guard. They knew it was coming but they didn't expect it to be worse than Hurricane Andrew.

your right they did know it was coming. so they had the opportunity there to get the National guard ready.



ps- it cost loads to go to war, those Daisy Cutter bombs cost like half a mill each.

[Patriot1776]

I'm not trying to be mean to people from other nations,but often the rest of the world is just trying to give us a hard time. Whenever we don't help problems immedietly we get yelled at and whenever we do help we get yelled at for how we are doing it. The rest of the world yells at us yet only 10 other countries have offered their assistence.(I'm assuming that England is probably one of them though)

[manutd 4 ever]

Everyone had fair warning a week in advanced to evacuate. Those who could did, those who couldn't, well, just stayed in their houses. It's sad, but it's how things work. If you can't afford it, you can't do it. I'm sure the rich blacks escaped, too. And trust me...there are plenty of whites down there suffering just as much.

A majority of it hasen't even been explored to search for stranded people because of how much is under water. They simply don't have the resources. We don't have the resources.

the world super power doesnt have the resources? c'mon thats bull.

[manutd 4 ever]

I'm not trying to be mean to people from other nations,but often the rest of the world is just trying to give us a hard time. Whenever we don't help problems immedietly we get yelled at and whenever we do help we get yelled at for how we are doing it. The rest of the world yells at us yet only 10 other countries have offered their assistence.(I'm assuming that England is probably one of them though)

it is.

[Patriot1776]

your right they did know it was coming. so they had the opportunity there to get the National guard ready.



ps- it cost loads to go to war, those Daisy Cutter bombs cost like half a mill each.

Yes, but they had no idea that it was going to be this bad.

P.S-It cost a lot to create weapons, but most weapons are made by other companies not the government.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

Yes, Bush is war crazy, but he's just an idiot.

Yes, he blew our money on fighting over in Iraq, but he's just trying to be his freakin' father. The whole family are Oil Tycoons. That's all they care about.

Yes, war costs alot, but what can we do? We're doing everything we can right now to help those people out. I know people from my town in Colorado that are being sent down to Lousiana and New Orleans to help.

[Patriot1776]

the world super power doesnt have the resources? c'mon thats bull.

Most resources for these kinds of operations come from the Red Cross.

[manutd 4 ever]

Yes, Bush is war crazy, but he's just an idiot.

Yes, he blew our money on fighting over in Iraq, but he's just trying to be his freakin' father. The whole family are Oil Tycoons. That's all they care about.

Yes, war costs alot, but what can we do? We're doing everything we can right now to help those people out. I know people from my town in Colorado that are being sent down to Lousiana and New Orleans to help.

im not saying theyre not doing anything, its just too little to late for some people, which is why the bush administration is being slated.

[manutd 4 ever]

Yes, but they had no idea that it was going to be this bad.

P.S-It cost a lot to create weapons, but most weapons are made by other companies not the government.



oh and i suppose the companies make them for free. America spends loads on killing people, but when it comes to saving the lives of their own, its shambolic.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

We don't have the resources we need, no!

The Red Cross was still recovering from the 9/11 attacks. They didn't have much to begin with, and they're basicly done now.

I mean, prices here are sky rocketing. Gas is $3.00 a gallon, as compared to $2.45, which is what it was last week.

We're suffering.

[manutd 4 ever]

Most resources for these kinds of operations come from the Red Cross.

they cant handle a situation of this scale. they can help, but ultimately the American GOV need to sort it out.

[manutd 4 ever]

We don't have the resources we need, no!

The Red Cross was still recovering from the 9/11 attacks. They didn't have much to begin with, and they're basicly done now.

I mean, prices here are sky rocketing. Gas is $3.00 a gallon, as compared to $2.45, which is what it was last week.

We're suffering.

you guys just invaded Iraq! you have loads of oil, America is one of the richest countries in the world, how can they not affor to help their own people?

[Patriot1776]

Bush is undoubtedly one of the worst President's we've had in awhile. I'm not saying it's bad to try and be like his father,his father was a really good president, but the fact is that he "isn't" like his father.

I believe that going into Iraq was a good idea,but I feel that he should have finished up in Afghanistan first. When it comes down to it the "war" in Iraq is actually over. It isn't really a war anymore,just a mop up operation. Hey, in the first Gulf War we made the mistake of not finishing up the job, we just don't want to make the same mistake twice.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

The American Government won't sort it out because our leader is a prick. We're stuck exausting all of our resources, the american people. The government isn't good for much of anything here except collecting our hard earned money to fuel a war in a country that we have no buisness being in.

[Patriot1776]

they cant handle a situation of this scale. they can help, but ultimately the American GOV need to sort it out.

Actually, the Red Cross has handled situations A LOT bigger than this. Rwanda and Somalia to name a few.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

Yes, we have loads of oil, but we don't see any of it. It costs me almost $70.00 to fill my car up with gas, now.

[manutd 4 ever]

The American Government won't sort it out because our leader is a prick. We're stuck exausting all of our resources, the american people. The government isn't good for much of anything here except collecting our hard earned money to fuel a war in a country that we have no buisness being in.


then the blame lies with the people, they voted him in.

[manutd 4 ever]

Yes, we have loads of oil, but we don't see any of it. It costs me almost $70.00 to fill my car up with gas, now.


do you have to fill it all the way up? try not taking your car out much, save some $$$

[manutd 4 ever]

Actually, the Red Cross has handled situations A LOT bigger than this. Rwanda and Somalia to name a few.


but on their home territory? c'mon they should have been the first ones down there.

[Patriot1776]

Lesser of two evils. You had Bush who is and idiot,yet at least had a plan of action. And then you had Kerry, who is also an idiot yet too afraid to create a plan of action.

And then you had former Vermont governor Howard Dean who is just an idiot in general.

[manutd 4 ever]

Bush is undoubtedly one of the worst President's we've had in awhile. I'm not saying it's bad to try and be like his father,his father was a really good president, but the fact is that he "isn't" like his father.

I believe that going into Iraq was a good idea,but I feel that he should have finished up in Afghanistan first. When it comes down to it the "war" in Iraq is actually over. It isn't really a war anymore,just a mop up operation. Hey, in the first Gulf War we made the mistake of not finishing up the job, we just don't want to make the same mistake twice.

do you really think Iraq will be stable? i dont. the place is a mess.

[agnomination]

actually a vast chunk of the oil price influx is due to chinas general population growth, growing and becomming wealthier and using petroleum based transport [there has been a major boom over the last few months as far as this goes]

also - i dont know how much help has been sent out. ive been following this disaster closely myself out of environmental interest and the fear that is being caused by aligators and sharks being brought in by the water is a blessing in disguisse. one can only hope there are enough to eat the bodies before a bout of malaria becomes an issue. also - why the feck was a city ever built on top of that region?!!! HELLO YOU ARE 2 FEET BELOW SEA LEVEL!!! its hardly the smartest thing to do. the fact theyve been needing to pump out water this whole time to keep the water to the 'dry' swamp like condition it has been at for so many years should surely have been an indication that, come an environmental disaster - your fecked. which brings me to my next erking question - why was new orleans not given any warning? im sorry but the environmental weather researchers of that area would have known well in advance what was coming and could have started warning the general population. AND why did the US govt outright deny the canadians offer to help collect people and take them to safety??? and im curious... does this have anything to do with new orleans being a general slum region? does this have anything to do with so little govt aid and resources being put through? and just food for thought - the superdome everyone was recommended to evacuate to ws never an idealy safe location and to give it a decent analogy - why put all your eggs in one basket? 'lets just evacuate thousands of hysterical people into a confined space so men can rape women and children. people can commit suicide and more mass hysteria be spread in said confined spaces. the superdome is flooding. what are the peolpe to do now? no food, no fresh water, imminent threat of wide spread disease. im sorry but these people really dont have much hope - and to think they could have been substantially helped by their friendly neighbouring country who was ready and on call form the moment they heard about what was about to happen...

im wondering.... maybe this belongs in the rants thread...?

[Patriot1776]

but on their home territory? c'mon they should have been the first ones down there.

Um, the red cross is actually began and is still based out of Switzerland. America just has one of the largest branches of it.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

do you have to fill it all the way up? try not taking your car out much, save some $$$


When you live in a place like Colorado, you can't NOT drive. We don't have a bus system, there aren't enough people to carpool, no trains...nothing. I live almost 15 miles out of town. Almost 50 miles from the closest place with a grocerie store and things like that.

I dont have a choice.



And yes, we voted him in*well, I didn't*, but we were fed lies through a bullshit campain and a rigged voting ballet in florida. 3 recounts...yeah. Something was up with that.

[Patriot1776]

do you really think Iraq will be stable? i dont. the place is a mess.

It'll never be perfectly stable, but we can at least try to prevent another Saddam from popping up. (Might not work though)

[manutd 4 ever]

Um, the red cross is actually began and is still based out of Switzerland. America just has one of the largest branches of it.

almost same thing, largest branch eh? America's GOV fucked up and they know it.

[manutd 4 ever]

It'll never be perfectly stable, but we can at least try to prevent another Saddam from popping up. (Might not work though)

atleast the country was under control when he was incharge.

[Patriot1776]

I just have a question. How did a post about people in need of our help turn into a "Let's say bad things about the United States" post.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

Because people like to view us as a ruthless fucked up country full of nasty people, which isn't true.

[manutd 4 ever]

When you live in a place like Colorado, you can't NOT drive. We don't have a bus system, there aren't enough people to carpool, no trains...nothing. I live almost 15 miles out of town. Almost 50 miles from the closest place with a grocerie store and things like that.

I dont have a choice.



And yes, we voted him in*well, I didn't*, but we were fed lies through a bullshit campain and a rigged voting ballet in florida. 3 recounts...yeah. Something was up with that.


America is looking seriously messed up, all because of fucking Bush the world biggest terrorrist. Clinton was a better president.

[Patriot1776]

Maybe they should try living here for awhile. The people here are really no different. We are just trying to get by in a world that hates us just because we are free.

[manutd 4 ever]

I just have a question. How did a post about people in need of our help turn into a "Let's say bad things about the United States" post.


because thats all America seems to do these days, make things worse.

[manutd 4 ever]

Maybe they should try living here for awhile. The people here are really no different. We are just trying to get by in a world that hates us just because we are free.

free? free from what?

[Patriot1776]

So what, Bush is just an idiot. Why doin't you insult him instead of calling America bad.

P.S- People have been ban for saying things similar to what you are saying.

[manutd 4 ever]

Because people like to view us as a ruthless fucked up country full of nasty people, which isn't true.

i know its not, but if ya didnt invade everyone then maybe ya country would be ok.

[manutd 4 ever]

So what, Bush is just an idiot. Why doin't you insult him instead of calling America bad.

P.S- People have been ban for saying things similar to what you are saying.

i never said America was bad, America's policies towards other countries are bad.

[Patriot1776]

free? free from what?

Freedom of speech,freedom to vote, freedom to choose who our leaders are.

It's called democracy pal,maybe you should look it up sometime.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

because thats all America seems to do these days, make things worse.


Thanks. You know, it's not AMERICA who is fucking things up, it's our government. You don't see me walking around screwing things up for other countries just for the hell of it. Yet, I'm american.

Oh jeeze. Since I'm american, I'm probably some egocentric little prick who thinks I'm better than everyone else, so I need to ruin other peoples lives.


I fucking hate steryotypes.




Clinton WAS a better president. Bush is just a dumbfuck.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

i know its not, but if ya didnt invade everyone then maybe ya country would be ok.


Well, you know what? It's not the peoples choice. It's our fucking governments.


You think I had any say if we went over there? No.

[Patriot1776]

i know its not, but if ya didnt invade everyone then maybe ya country would be ok.

See, but when you talk you still use Americans in general, we can't decide who we go to war with politicians do that.

[manutd 4 ever]

Thanks. You know, it's not AMERICA who is fucking things up, it's our government. You don't see me walking around screwing things up for other countries just for the hell of it. Yet, I'm american.

Oh jeeze. Since I'm american, I'm probably some egocentric little prick who thinks I'm better than everyone else, so I need to ruin other peoples lives.


I fucking hate steryotypes.




Clinton WAS a better president. Bush is just a dumbfuck.

whoa! i never said American people were bad, its your Goverment thats messing up.

Ps - your not 'egocentric' your nice.

[Patriot1776]

Actually pal, most of your sentences were saying the Americans were bad.

[manutd 4 ever]

See, but when you talk you still use Americans in general, we can't decide who we go to war with politicians do that.

so your living in a dictator ship? what the GOV says the country does, people just accept it?

[manutd 4 ever]

Actually pal, most of your sentences were saying the Americans were bad.


it your image in other countries thats bad. why? because of your GOV's policies.

[Patriot1776]

No we don't accept it. People do have the right to protest it. Protesting can end wars. It was protesting that ended the Vietnam when it comes down to it.

[manutd 4 ever]

No we don't accept it. People do have the right to protest it. Protesting can end wars. It was protesting that ended the Vietnam when it comes down to it.


but where were the protests?

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

Grr.


You don't understand that we don't have control over what the government decides to do!

Yes, we vote the people in, but majority rules. You think that my vote and patriots vote is going to overrule all the dumbasses we have in our country? No.

We can't just go to the White House and say "Uhh, George? Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea that we go over to Iraq for oil..."

We'd get our asses in jail.

We've already admited that our government is corrupt, but not all of our citizens are.

[Patriot1776]

it your image in other countries thats bad. why? because of your GOV's policies.

I didn't say that other countries were bad. I just said that many of them give us a hard time. I have a friend from England, a friend from Canada, a friuend from Bermuda, they all seem like nice places to live.

But even if I moved there when I was older I would still be American. No matter where I go I will have to live with that. I don't care that our president is an asshole, I don't care that we are going to a very unpopular war. My uncle is in Iraq, my grandfather and great-uncle were in Nam. They didn't fight just so their familes would grow up to hate their country.

[manutd 4 ever]

Grr.


You don't understand that we don't have control over what the government decides to do!

Yes, we vote the people in, but majority rules. You think that my vote and patriots vote is going to overrule all the dumbasses we have in our country? No.

We can't just go to the White House and say "Uhh, George? Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea that we go over to Iraq for oil..."

We'd get our asses in jail.

We've already admited that our government is corrupt, but not all of our citizens are.


majority of Americans are good, but surely there must be more than a few thousand who oppose G.W.Bush and his 'ideas'.

[Patriot1776]

but where were the protests?

They were everywhere from Washington D.C. to Hawaii. There were even protests in France. There were points where the protesters tried to storm the White House. Now how many countries in the world would allow their people to do that?

[manutd 4 ever]

I didn't say that other countries were bad. I just said that many of them give us a hard time. I have a friend from England, a friend from Canada, a friuend from Bermuda, they all seem like nice places to live.

But even if I moved there when I was older I would still be American. No matter where I go I will have to live with that. I don't care that our president is an asshole, I don't care that we are going to a very unpopular war. My uncle is in Iraq, my grandfather and great-uncle were in Nam. They didn't fight just so their familes would grow up to hate their country.


if you treated other countries with more respect then they would be more welcoming towards you, anger comes from somewhere.

[Patriot1776]

majority of Americans are good, but surely there must be more than a few thousand who oppose G.W.Bush and his 'ideas'.

Almost 60% percent to be exact. Most of the oppose Bushes ideas yet at the same time feel that it is a bit too late to back down now.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

The problem is that all of the oil tycoons in Texas and all those other states support him and fund his campign.

Most of the people who DON'T like him aren't millionaires. How can us, the normal people, fight all that money? We can't. We can't afford to throw a million dollars down on the table for Bushes protection and to fund his stupid games.

[manutd 4 ever]

They were everywhere from Washington D.C. to Hawaii. There were even protests in France. There were points where the protesters tried to storm the White House. Now how many countries in the world would allow their people to do that?


anywhere where the people get pissed off. its matters if the GOV listens.

[manutd 4 ever]

Almost 60% percent to be exact. Most of the oppose Bushes ideas yet at the same time feel that it is a bit too late to back down now.

its never too late, the more you have that monkey incharge, the more your country is gonna lose the respect it still has.

[manutd 4 ever]

The problem is that all of the oil tycoons in Texas and all those other states support him and fund his campign.

Most of the people who DON'T like him aren't millionaires. How can us, the normal people, fight all that money? We can't. We can't afford to throw a million dollars down on the table for Bushes protection and to fund his stupid games.


then the American people must bring down this son of a bitch together, he needs the votes, tell him to stick his head up his fathers ass.

[Patriot1776]

if you treated other countries with more respect then they would be more welcoming towards you, anger comes from somewhere.

Most countries don't absolutly hate us. We are Vietnams only ally. England is considered our greatest ally. Japan is our biggest trading partner. We are even on generally good terms with Russia. I know people who have served time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most people over there want us to help them.

You can listen to all that political crap, you can listen to all this presidential bullshit, but when the day ends all that really matters is the men who are over there. The ones who live through it everyday. Many of them don't agree with the war, but they serve their country because they have the right to disagree. In Iraq is you even slightly disagreed you would have been killed.

[manutd 4 ever]

Most countries don't absolutly hate us. We are Vietnams only ally. England is considered our greatest ally. Japan is our biggest trading partner. We are even on generally good terms with Russia. I know people who have served time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most people over there want us to help them.

You can listen to all that political crap, you can listen to all this presidential bullshit, but when the day ends all that really matters is the men who are over there. The ones who live through it everyday. Many of them don't agree with the war, but they serve their country because they have the right to disagree. In Iraq is you even slightly disagreed you would have been killed.

fair point, but its one ting dissagreeing another if the GOV listens, if not then its just like Iraq.

[Patriot1776]

its never too late, the more you have that monkey incharge, the more your country is gonna lose the respect it still has.

Here's what happend. In Iraq we are fighting terrorists. (Saddam was a terrorist leader) When you fight terrorists you CAN'T back down. That just makes the situation worse.

I've known men from the First Gulf War. THey said that whenever they stormed a terrorist training camp only about 10% of the men were from Saddam's regime.

Overthrowing Saddam may not have stopped terrorism,but it did deal a blow to it.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

America has a hero complex. It's been going on ever since we claimed ourselves to be a free country. People in office feel the need to keep this up. That's why we do half of the things we do. We try to butt our noses in others buisness because we feel that we need to be top.


Yes. It's wrong. I agree, and I think we need a president who understands that we don't need to solve everyones problems...but we don't right now.


And the American people are stuck taking the shit for it.

[Patriot1776]

anywhere where the people get pissed off. its matters if the GOV listens.

The government did listen. They felt that it wasn't worth winning in Vietnam if 90% of the population didn't even want a war.

[manutd 4 ever]

Here's what happend. In Iraq we are fighting terrorists. (Saddam was a terrorist leader) When you fight terrorists you CAN'T back down. That just makes the situation worse.

I've known men from the First Gulf War. THey said that whenever they stormed a terrorist training camp only about 10% of the men were from Saddam's regime.

Overthrowing Saddam may not have stopped terrorism,but it did deal a blow to it.

Saddam was a leader of a country hes not a bin laden, he's a leader US put in then bombed the country to remove,thats why Iraqis are pissed.

America classes everyone who is against their ideas a 'terrorist'. the word is very loosly used.

[manutd 4 ever]

America has a hero complex. It's been going on ever since we claimed ourselves to be a free country. People in office feel the need to keep this up. That's why we do half of the things we do. We try to butt our noses in others buisness because we feel that we need to be top.


Yes. It's wrong. I agree, and I think we need a president who understands that we don't need to solve everyones problems...but we don't right now.


And the American people are stuck taking the shit for it.


less of the flag waving and over the top 'love Ameica etc' would help.

but like i said, the minority are fucking it up for the majority.

[agnomination]

Maybe they should try living here for awhile. The people here are really no different. We are just trying to get by in a world that hates us just because we are free.

you are shitting me arent you hun?

you cant honestly believe other countries hate you because youre free? other countries hate yours because your arrogant, ignorant and armed - a dangerous combination. and as far as the whole 'free world' bullshit goes... america is anything but.

since when was the rest of the world not allowed to voice their opinions. with the exception or north korea, china and perhaps some of the old soviet union, the reast of the world for the most part has freedom of speah to the same extent as the us if not more. i dont believe the us really has such all accepting freedom you all so imply.

[Patriot1776]

Saddam had terrrorist training camps, they found members of Al Quaeda, IRA, Libya etc.

He may not have beeen a terrorist himself, but he was a large supporter. Most of the people that we are fighting right now are the Sunni party, but they are getting help from groups like Al Qaeda.

[manutd 4 ever]

The government did listen. They felt that it wasn't worth winning in Vietnam if 90% of the population didn't even want a war.

and Iraq?

[manutd 4 ever]

you are shitting me arent you hun?

you cant honestly believe other countries hate you because youre free? other countries hate yours because your arrogant, ignorant and armed - a dangerous combination. and as far as the whole 'free world' bullshit goes... america is anything but.

since when was the rest of the world not allowed to voice their opinions. with the exception or north korea, china and perhaps some of the old soviet union, the reast of the world for the most part has freedom of speah to the same extent as the us if not more. i dont believe the us really has such all accepting freedom you all so imply.

well said.


and keep this topic open, im off to watch the second half of the England V Wales game.


bye.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

We're over there because of the OIL.

Bush is an OIL tycoon. He want's the money and resources.


They won't listen. America wants money. We're greedy, no doubt about that.

[Patriot1776]

you are shitting me arent you hun?

you cant honestly believe other countries hate you because youre free? other countries hate yours because your arrogant, ignorant and armed - a dangerous combination. and as far as the whole 'free world' bullshit goes... america is anything but.

since when was the rest of the world not allowed to voice their opinions. with the exception or north korea, china and perhaps some of the old soviet union, the reast of the world for the most part has freedom of speah to the same extent as the us if not more. i dont believe the us really has such all accepting freedom you all so imply.

Do you live here pal? Do you breathe our air. Do you know those who have sacrificed themselves. DO you have to take all the bullshit just because you have an asshole president. No you don't it's obvious, with you making a comment like that. It isn't our fault that you have to be an asshole to be a good politician. And not every member of our governemnt was bad. Look at Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell two of the biggest world peace activists in the world.

[Patriot1776]

and Iraq?

Politicains back then were a lot smarter than Bush.

[Drunk_druid]

well...its not hard to be smarter than bush...and i like a lot of americans but dont give us bs about sacrifice!

[Patriot1776]

Then you quit giving me bs about how evil you think America is.

[Drunk_druid]

...hav u seen me giving bs bout that? I dont think americas evil, far from it, but theyre like new, strong kids coming to a playgrouind and picking fights with all the bullies and people who are pissing about.

[Patriot1776]

I don't really care. I don't appreciate anyone giving me a bunch of bs about country that they have never been to.

[Drunk_druid]

and if ive been to your country?

[Patriot1776]

Where exactly have you been? As long as you're not calling the country evil I don't care.

[Drunk_druid]

look, this might sound wrong but i do like your country and all, its just that ur president is making things bad, hes taking u headlong into fights just to make his papa happy! and actually i prefer to think of the USA as loads of seperate countries

[Drunk_druid]

Florida (touristy but nice)

[Patriot1776]

Well it is actually a group of united states. We may have our differences, but we will al unite when freedom in any part of the world is threatened. I highly doubt his father would be happy though. Our president likes to pretend that he is his father, but he messes up at every turn. His father was actually a really good president. If I were Bush I would have done this:

1.Go into Afghanistan, at least we could justify our reasons for going there.

2.Concentrate our political priorities on threats such as China and North Korea.

If we could do both of those maybe consider going into Iraq. I don't think going into Iraq was a bad idea, I just think his timing was terrible.

[Patriot1776]

Florida (touristy but nice)

Until recently suffered the worst hurricane in our country's history.

[Drunk_druid]

...yes after that...hrm i must say i really want to go help yall but i cant, i wanted to help after the tsunami too. Im strong enough to help with lifting etc and i know a lot about emergency medical assistance so i could have done, but im not allowed :(

[Drunk_druid]

...and i dont like wats written in your sig.

[Patriot1776]

You don't have to like it.

[Patriot1776]

...yes after that...hrm i must say i really want to go help yall but i cant, i wanted to help after the tsunami too. Im strong enough to help with lifting etc and i know a lot about emergency medical assistance so i could have done, but im not allowed :(

I'm sure you could donate money and supplies to the English Red Cross. It may or may not go to Louisiana, but at least it is going somewhere important.

[Drunk_druid]

yes i no, i do that but id prefer to get in there and do some stuff myself, rather than sit here chatting bout it!

[Patriot1776]

One thing I forgot to mention earlier is the fact that many of our Red Cross workers were sent to Africa there has recently been a famine that has spread throughout 11 countries and there is currently mass genocide going on in Sudan.

[Patriot1776]

actually a vast chunk of the oil price influx is due to chinas general population growth, growing and becomming wealthier and using petroleum based transport [there has been a major boom over the last few months as far as this goes]

also - i dont know how much help has been sent out. ive been following this disaster closely myself out of environmental interest and the fear that is being caused by aligators and sharks being brought in by the water is a blessing in disguisse. one can only hope there are enough to eat the bodies before a bout of malaria becomes an issue. also - why the feck was a city ever built on top of that region?!!! HELLO YOU ARE 2 FEET BELOW SEA LEVEL!!! its hardly the smartest thing to do. the fact theyve been needing to pump out water this whole time to keep the water to the 'dry' swamp like condition it has been at for so many years should surely have been an indication that, come an environmental disaster - your fecked. which brings me to my next erking question - why was new orleans not given any warning? im sorry but the environmental weather researchers of that area would have known well in advance what was coming and could have started warning the general population. AND why did the US govt outright deny the canadians offer to help collect people and take them to safety??? and im curious... does this have anything to do with new orleans being a general slum region? does this have anything to do with so little govt aid and resources being put through? and just food for thought - the superdome everyone was recommended to evacuate to ws never an idealy safe location and to give it a decent analogy - why put all your eggs in one basket? 'lets just evacuate thousands of hysterical people into a confined space so men can rape women and children. people can commit suicide and more mass hysteria be spread in said confined spaces. the superdome is flooding. what are the peolpe to do now? no food, no fresh water, imminent threat of wide spread disease. im sorry but these people really dont have much hope - and to think they could have been substantially helped by their friendly neighbouring country who was ready and on call form the moment they heard about what was about to happen...

im wondering.... maybe this belongs in the rants thread...?

Don't yell at us about that. We just continued the settlements that the French created.

[Drunk_druid]

about the why didnt the weather guys give fair warning bout it. They made a mistake and its hard to tell if its a real hurricane or tornado or watever and not 1 that'll die out as it hits the coast. You may say they should warn neway but it costs huge resources and they dont have a limitless amount to spare and should they get it wrong worse may follow (sueings etc) anyway i believe there was a warning but it will take far too long to evacuate that many people into safe places its too densely populated!

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

There was a weeks warning, but alot of people figured it wouldn't be this bad. They figured they'd board up their windows, and they'd be fine. You're right, though. There's no way all the people down there could have evacuated. Where could they have gone, really?

[Drunk_druid]

exactly u cant really be prepared for it unless theyre regular like i said theres just not enough money for the weather control

[LukeEv_17]

too right not half of what they need

[kattylover]

Okay...can you all stop? Just do something to help rather than sitting down here arguing with each other about who's wrong and who's right.

[xXxI.Got.Them.Emo.EyesxXx]

We stopped arguing about two days ago, sweetheart...:P

[manutd 4 ever]

We stopped arguing about two days ago, sweetheart...:P

lol women....

[Drunk_druid]

lmao, the argument was over awhile back, i respect him but dislike most american belief...This will sound bad but i dont see what theyve sacrificed above everyone else?!

[Patriot1776]

We're not sying we've sacrificed more than others. We just have great respect for those who have sacrificed for our country. It isn really any different then English people honoring those who died in WWI WWII etc.

[fcuk4forest]

Patriot, I don't agree with your signature. The bit where it says "At least I know im free". I don't know why the USA is known as 'the land of the free'. It's totally untrue. You can't do a lot of things in America what you can in other countries. A lot of swearing is cut out on the TV and stuff for a start. What about the right to express yourself?

I got nothing against America or anything but sometimes, the country angers me with bullshit stuff like that.

[Patriot1776]

Patriot, I don't agree with your signature. The bit where it says "At least I know im free". I don't know why the USA is known as 'the land of the free'. It's totally untrue. You can't do a lot of things in America what you can in other countries. A lot of swearing is cut out on the TV and stuff for a start. What about the right to express yourself?

I got nothing against America or anything but sometimes, the country angers me with bullshit stuff like that.

We do have the right to express ourselves. You can put swears on t.v. but the only reason people really do that is to prevent lawsuits. I know that there is the FCC but they only get involved when it is an extreme situation. Being free doesn't mean that you are an anarchy it just means that you have the freedom to voice your opinions,get whatever job you want. I know most nations are like that so I can't explain why we are known as the "land of the free"

Every nation does things that other nations and people don't like. You can't please everyone.

[Drunk_druid]

yes, but i dont post it everywhere. And you cant get any job you want in America (soz to besiege you with annoyances here)

[Patriot1776]

Ever heard of Las Vegas. Anyone can get ajob there. Most countries require that you have a good education in order to get high paying jobs.

Also, we receive a lot of immigrants and studies have shown that most immigrants have found it easier to get the job they want.

[Drunk_druid]

Also, we receive a lot of immigrants and studies have shown that most immigrants have found it easier to get the job they want.
...compared to...?

[Patriot1776]

Compared to where they used to be. Most of the times it's poorer countries,but we do get a lot from North/South Korea,Japan,and China because there is so many people in those countries.