What is peoples problem with gayness

[emo-bass-rocker]

You know what I dont understand? People think lesbianism is wrong. I'm str8 myself but I've always thought that if you love somebody it shouldn't matter who you go out with as long as you love them. Two of my friends are lesbians and I'm cool with that. But people in school say..."eewwww that disgusting" its like, why is it digusting?
Feel free to express your opinion. I understand why you'd be against it if you were religious but still free to add your opinion. xx

[Bebot]

i just think its wrong..

[clueless]

What people do in their lives is up to them, but that doesn't mean i have to approve of their lifestyles. I view homosexuality as unnatural, but that's just my opinion.

[mean_girl]

That IS kind of sick cuz its against nature

[Boy_Wonder06]

lmao i love sum ppl's opinion on gayness, come on it really isnt unnatural, its life, gay people are no different to straight people apart from their feelings towards people of the same sex, would you really critise and demoralise a gay person just cause they have a different preference to you.

An one thing as a fact, if men arnt meant to be gay why is there G spot up their butt :D think about that one lol.

[clueless]

lmao i love sum ppl's opinion on gayness, come on it really isnt unnatural, its life, gay people are no different to straight people apart from their feelings towards people of the same sex, would you really critise and demoralise a gay person just cause they have a different preference to you.

An one thing as a fact, if men arnt meant to be gay why is there G spot up their butt :D think about that one lol.
It is unnatural in the sense gay couples can't procreate. I believe in God, and believe He created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

I wouldn't go out of my way to hate on gay people, i just don't agree with their chosen lifestyle.

[Luke]

This thread is well gay.

[NATAL!E]

lol luke.

im fine with it.

homosexuality goes right back to the dark ages. it's not wrong, just a way of life.

my guinea pigs shag eachother, and they're both laydeez.

[buthy-13]

their pigs gurl


as a human i don't think gayness should exist in world cause its wrong
i don't get to believe the fact that your born gay to love that guy and think about a future with the same sex


it's sick......

[Luke]

their pigs gurl


as a human i don't think gayness should exist in world cause its wrong
i don't get to believe the fact that your born gay to love that guy and think about a future with the same sex


it's sick......

I don't think it's wrong. Just a bit weird.

[Mikhael]

its against nature thats why there is male and female

i have nothing against gays though as long as the gay males who act gay ( u know what i mean) stay away from me

[NATAL!E]

i can't actually believe how many of you are homophobic.

[buthy-13]

it's not homophobic it's homoronic ...i think it's not right just...NOOOT RIGHT!!

to act gay ....make your self like a different sex is just ewww

[mandude]

I don't think it's fair to say it's wrong. If you're gay then there is nothing really you can change so if it's wrong then WTF are you supposed to do about it. People don't choose their sexual orientation.

[NATAL!E]

agreed mandude.

you don't seem to understand buthy, it's not something you chose to do.

in some respects, i wish people would just get with the times and see that things are the way they are, and they can't change it. it OBVIOUSLY IS a part of nature, otherwise it wouldnt happen and it wouldnt be there. i know many people who are gay or lesbian, and even more who are bisexual. it's a part of their life, and something i am around all the time. i actually LIKE the fact people are homosexual. it makes them more interesting.

my manager at work was actually saying the other week, how people still don't like the idea of homosexuality, and still now people make awful comments to her. she's an extremely admirable woman, who fought against her sexuality to be accepted in community, until she realised it was wrong to pretend she was something to please other people. it takes a lot of courage, and people don't seem to realise.

[Pearson]

Like people have said its not like you choose to be gay, so theres just as much chance of strict religious person being gay as there is someone who grew up with two dads...Its nature, not nerture. (sp)

So really, na I dont see a problem with it at all.

[clueless]

That's the point though. I personally think that a lot of people aren't born gay at all, they simply choose that lifestyle because that is what they desire. Society is becoming more tolerable as time passes. Sometime in the near future, i wouldn't be surprised if it is socially acceptable to commit murder and other such things which we shun right now. Being gay is not natural- it defies the laws of nature. A gay couple can't procreate, therefore such a relationship isn't what nature intended.

I do not intentionally mean to offend anybody on here- I am merely stating my opinion. I know my point of view may be upsetting to some, and this may be an issue close to many people's hearts as it is close to mine too but obviously on different grounds.

Peace out.

[mandude]

But with the way nature is, it has sustained this way of living for a long time, and the human race wont end because of it, because there are still plenty of people able to give birth. And maybe you CAN choose your sexual orientation, but it would be indirectly rather than directly, and if someone is bor a certain way, then it is natural for them to be that way.

[Nintendus]

It is unnatural in the sense gay couples can't procreate. I believe in God, and believe He created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Lol, I love Alan Partridge.

Nothing wrong with gay people. I would hate anyone who says there is.

[buthy-13]

i do say someway think there is

lllllllllolllllllllll clueless

some people just don't respect the atomspher around them even tho theor grown men they still act like a "BABY GIRL" me myself i would act as the way they do..(some of them not all) they act like they tryin to proof their gay ...

look at dis pictures

wtf "be gay or leave" be gay be be be GAY ...i believe its written by gay people

http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd0155/gay-parade-20.4.jpg (http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd0155/gay-parade-20.4.jpg)
' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/images/2005/05/29/pink_dress_470x353.jpg)

helloooo ppl around in publichttp://www.myislington.co.uk/images/bars&music/big-gay-out-271.jpg

[mandude]

That does not speak for all gay people though. I know alot of assholes who are straight, but that means I don't like THAT INDIVIDUAL. Gay people are not a collective either.

[mean_girl]

I just dont like them :).

[metal-maniac-13]

Dont have a problem with them, just dont want them to practice their gayness in public, rooms remember?

[Luke]

Do you practice your straightness in public?

That would be like me saying that I don't want you to wear Islamic symbols in public but I can wear the cross around my neck.

[TheMan]

Let’s get this shit straight

Let’s say you are an homosexual. It is not your fault, you feel attracted to the ppl of the same sex as you, you are scared, you know it’s not normal, you feel you’re different, you know it shouldn’t be this way, you start asking questions to yourself, you try to hide it from your friends and family members, you fear their reactions.
See, they already get through a lot of shit because of the values of our society, let’s not make it harder for them by acting all homophobic.

But alright, there's some limit, gay ppl, cut the bullshit, cut the gay parade. We respect you guys, but no need to get show us your gayness. Im sorry the the gay parade is disgusting. Do we have a retard parade? no.

And please, we know you are gay, but no need to talk like a woman. And no need to touch me whenever you make comments. Actually never touch me.

Damn, yeah, I think I'm homophobic. haha.

[TheMan]

PS: hot bisexual girls are the greatest.

[buthy-13]

Let’s get this shit straight

Let’s say you are an homosexual. It is not your fault, you feel attracted to the ppl of the same sex as you, you are scared, you know it’s not normal, you feel you’re different, you know it shouldn’t be this way, you start asking questions to yourself, you try to hide it from your friends and family members, you fear their reactions.
See, they already get through a lot of shit because of the values of our society, let’s not make it harder for them by acting all homophobic.

But alright, there's some limit, gay ppl, cut the bullshit, cut the gay parade. We respect you guys, but no need to get show us your gayness. Im sorry the the gay parade is disgusting. Do we have a retard parade? no.

And please, we know you are gay, but no need to talk like a woman. And no need to touch me whenever you make comments. Actually never touch me.

Damn, yeah, I think I'm homophobic. haha.


looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Do you practice your straightness in public?


That would be like me saying that I don't want you to wear Islamic symbols in public but I can wear the cross around my neck.

not true what does this have to do with topic make a new thread that is called "watz the prob with ya'll"

everyone has an opinion you can say you don't want me to wear islamic sybol but you can't stop me
i ccan see you wear the cross but i can't stop you too

[metal-maniac-13]

Do you practice your straightness in public?

That would be like me saying that I don't want you to wear Islamic symbols in public but I can wear the cross around my neck.

Religion and gender are two totally different issues.
Pollution for the eyes, that is it. Wearing pink from head to toe, acting girly, using fingers and hands in a weird way.. i think thats not a pretty sight.
Yes you can be gay, but you dont have to show everyone your gay attidtide.
Have some damn respect.

[mandude]

That's a stereotype. Not all gays are like that. In fact, none of the gays I know are like that in the slightest.

[metal-maniac-13]

Yes, thats what im talking about the gays you're talking about im fine with, others who wear pink ...etc, ive got a problem with..

You got me? :)

[mandude]

Not just gays. I know people who are straight who are like that.

[Brunette]

PS: hot bisexual girls are the greatest.

eiw !!!


im ok with gay men , but i dont know why i look down at lesbo's !
its just really eiw , in our school there are some lesbo's and i remmember once a lesbo thought me & her are together ..while i thought its just a friendship !!

[Kate]

Oh My God.
"Unnatural"
Unnatural? If they want a relationship with somebody of the same sex how is it unnatural? You make them sound disgusting. Whats wrong with homosexuality. So what if some of us find people of the same sex attractive?!
As for bi's, they're just open to all possibilitys so stop being so god damn critisisive..

[mean_girl]

Oh My God.
"Unnatural"
Unnatural? If they want a relationship with somebody of the same sex how is it unnatural? You make them sound disgusting. Whats wrong with homosexuality. So what if some of us find people of the same sex attractive?!
As for bi's, they're just open to all possibilitys so stop being so god damn critisisive..

YES UNNATURAL!!!
I dont like them and it IS soo unnatural....

[mandude]

How though? You totally missed her question.

[mean_girl]

So what if some of us find people of the same sex attractive?!


is that it?

whats natural in that?

[mandude]

It's already been explained previously in this topic. We have yet to find out how it is not natural. Could you please explain this time?

[mean_girl]

God created men and women to be togeather through official marraige not the same gender to practice sick and disgusting habits. Even animals the male will go to the female, so why humans who have brains to think will do the opposite of nature?

[mandude]

First of all, you'll find loads of the people who visit this board don't practice a religion, so straight away you've lost them. And being natural is being the way you originated. And unless your sexual orientation is artificially made by a human, then I'm sure it's classed as natural.

[Brunette]

noone is born gay and BI ,, they become gay , thats why its not natural bacause the thing is , its not really who they are ..

[mandude]

Are people born straight? You don't have a say. There are people who know they are gay, but they don't want to be, for fear of being bullied. I'm sure that if they had a say, then they would change.

[Brunette]

yes people are born straight . so female and male get together and create babies so life goes on !! or people will die !
i dont understand your wierd way of thinking !!?

[mandude]

Doesn't the sex drive develop alot later in life? And as I have said before, the human race has been able to sustain itself regardless of the gays in the world. There will always be plenty of straight people to keep it going. Even so, that's like saying it's wrong if you don't have babies. And if god makes people gay, and then condemns them for it, he must have gone wrong somewhere. And I quite like my way of thinking.

[Brunette]

i told you they arent born gay , god didnt create gay people .
and i didnt say everyone should have babies . i'm just saying that's the cycle of life and thats why its unnatural to be gay . its not sumthin pure and natural , it happened for some reasons , but its not natural .

[Nintendus]

i told you they arent born gay , god didnt create gay people .
and i didnt say everyone should have babies . i'm just saying that's the cycle of life and thats why its unnatural to be gay . its not sumthin pure and natural , it happened for some reasons , but its not natural .
Keeping God out of this, who says it is not natural? A lot of you people are prejudiced, basing on your view on some gay people, and your natural hatred of them.

I agree with mandude completely.

[Brunette]

i dont hate them , i just said it's not "right"
but hey ! no one really cares whats right anymore .
second of all , i dont care if i insulted the gay people , im just sayin my opinion .

[mandude]

If you think it is a fault, then how did it originate? And if so then god didn't create straight people either. If no one chooses it, then it is natural. How is it wrong if it's natural?

[buthy-13]

simply.....to me..it's discusting

[mandude]

Yes, that is simple. It's too simple, though. It's not stating why you think it's disgusting.

[buthy-13]

Yes, that is simple. It's too simple, though. It's not stating why you think it's disgusting.

1.the way seeing people kissing hte same gender
2.acting like females
3.i heard a story of a boy telling a girl "i'm more feminane than you" wtffff
4.the way the think their like me .....romance love style
5.the way they want to change the world and make it a world full of gay's
6.they think thats their normal ...no your not normal


thatz it

[mandude]

1.the way seeing people kissing hte same gender
2.acting like females
3.i heard a story of a boy telling a girl "i'm more feminane than you" wtffff
4.the way the think their like me .....romance love style
5.the way they want to change the world and make it a world full of gay's
6.they think thats their normal ...no your not normal
1. Why is it disgusting?
2. Not all do, and even so, I know loads of straight people who do aswell. It's not just gays.
3. One boy does not represent the gay population.
4. I don't even get the meaning of that. :s
5. Once again, I know no gays who want to make the world full of gays.
6. That's just stupid. You are trying to explain why gays aren't normal, and one of the explanations is "They're not normal". That's like trying to define a word, by using the word you are trying to define.

[Pearson]

noone is born gay and BI ,, they become gay , thats why its not natural bacause the thing is , its not really who they are ..

Dont be daft love, Its a FACT that Gay people dont choose to be gay. Although this is a bit of a wild comparison its like saying a disabled person chooses to be that way, its like saying you choose the own colour of your skin, your natural hair-colour, how tall you are, etc...Its Nature not Nurture. It may be against your religion but as I said before you may be gay...you might have just not realised it yet. Your argument is wrong. Its against your religion so I understand if you choose to side with your religion on the subject, but dont lie in the proccess.

[joanne]

each one to there own, i mean its 2006 please pleople should just live and let live

[metal-maniac-13]

Not just gays. I know people who are straight who are like that.

You are talking about very rare circumstances..

[mandude]

All of the gays I know aren't in any way like that.

[clueless]

Dont be daft love, Its a FACT that Gay people dont choose to be gay. Although this is a bit of a wild comparison its like saying a disabled person chooses to be that way, its like saying you choose the own colour of your skin, your natural hair-colour, how tall you are, etc...Its Nature not Nurture. It may be against your religion but as I said before you may be gay...you might have just not realised it yet. Your argument is wrong. Its against your religion so I understand if you choose to side with your religion on the subject, but dont lie in the proccess. A fact? If so, could you present the proof, please?

It may be soemthing you have internalised, and hence wouldn't really raise any objections to a person engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex as them but that doesn't go to say it is a universal truth like it is with people being born disabled, to use your example.

[THEDON]

First it is sick and second it is sick:naughty:

[metal-maniac-13]

All of the gays I know aren't in any way like that.

Good... cuz i know some who act like that.
Thats what im talking about, keep your gayness for yourself.

[Bebot]

same here,i think its wrong and disgusting,dont ask me why or ill never shut up!

[mandude]

Please don't shut up then. I'm eager to hear why you think it's disgusting?

[mandude]

A fact? If so, could you present the proof, please?

It may be soemthing you have internalised, and hence wouldn't really raise any objections to a person engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex as them but that doesn't go to say it is a universal truth like it is with people being born disabled, to use your example.I've already given the example of people who don't want to be gay, and they have no power to change it. The only instance I can think of where you would choose, would be if say, a mother abused her child from a very young age, and the child grew up to hate women. But that would be indirect as it is done subconsciously and can't be reversed.

[buthy-13]

1. Why is it disgusting?
2. Not all do, and even so, I know loads of straight people who do aswell. It's not just gays.
3. One boy does not represent the gay population.
4. I don't even get the meaning of that. :s
5. Once again, I know no gays who want to make the world full of gays.
6. That's just stupid. You are trying to explain why gays aren't normal, and one of the explanations is "They're not normal". That's like trying to define a word, by using the word you are trying to define.

1.the way they do it ...just the thought of it is
2.straigt people do it for fungay people do it for believing they are
3.well one oopinion does not represent the whole thread
4.i do get it..you don't hen sorry
5.i know lots of them the gays you know are rare they might not even be gays
6.they ain't normal because they are rare like when you have sex with a same gender that is not normal :S

[buthy-13]

I've already given the example of people who don't want to be gay, and they have no power to change it. The only instance I can think of where you would choose, would be if say, a mother abused her child from a very young age, and the child grew up to hate women. But that would be indirect as it is done subconsciously and can't be reversed.


they do they just say they don't no effence to all of em.....if they don't want to be gay then just don't what' the defference exept the fact that they do it with the same gender

[NATAL!E]

I find it quite unbelievable that at the first call of racism most of you are absolutely up in arms, but you don't give two flying shits to degrade EQUALS because of the way they are. In all honesty, you absolutely disgust me. I know children who act like the opposite sex, and always have done, due to no influence from others. How's that choosing a way to act? Their parents have belief they will grow up homosexual, due to no fault of anyone else. Like Pearson keeps saying 'nature not nurture'. Homosexuality has been round as far back as ROMAN times. They didn't really have a clue what was sociably acceptable, they went with how they FELT.

And some animals MIGHT be homosexual. But then again, animals miss a lot of intelligence that humans adopt, so therefore a dog wouldn't go around and say 'gorr, she's attractive'. They just get shagged and don't understand. All animals, bar about two, have sex for mating and not pleasure. So a dog wouldn't have sex because of emotion or feelings, they do it to mate. So that blows your theory of 'animals aren't homosexual' out of the water. Homosexuality is to do with emotions, which animals don't possess for eachother sexually.

And your theory about God. What about the fact i don't think a being such as god exists, has ever existed or will exist. what if i said nothing in my life has EVER proved to me that god is 'true', and even though i was brought up a christian, i don't believe in any faith, except mild spiritualism, but then again, that's got sod all to do with god and creation of the world.

and you saying it makes you feel sick. what about the homosexuals who don't flaunt anything. you've actually got a nerve saying something like that. what about if i told you it makes ME feel sick when i see straight people mollycoddling eachother in public.

this is the way you were brought up, to believe that homosexuality is WRONG. because of religion or little implants which have been put into your brain believing that it's disgusting for two women to kiss.

i KNOW people who denied for most of their life they were homosexual and felt feelings for the opposite sex. they denied and tried to cover it up. they got married, had kids, living a lie. all because they were scared of people who were going to dislike the way they were. a boy got told by his mother, she'd rather wish he'd have told her he was dying, when he told her he way gay. now to me, that's more than just trying to be something you're not.

this thread makes me so angry, that some of you, most of you, wouldn't think twice about treating another living, breathing human being differently, because of they way they are. in all honesty, where ive been on holidays for the past four years, it's like the lesbian capital. and the women who go there, are probably the greatest women i have EVER met. they are genuinely good people and always laughing and making jokes. they were brilliant. had such a good time being around them.

most of you would look down on me if i told you i kissed my girl mates, and i said i wouldn't bother trying something once. and you know, i dont give a shit what you think of me.

[clueless]

Good for you.

Just because you may be accepting of something, doesn't mean it is right. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like it then tough. Just like i can't force people to accept something which goes against their being.

I know homosexuals, too. As people, they are some of the best i have come into contact with but that doesn't necessarily mean i agree with their choice of lifestyle.

[buthy-13]

Good for you.

Just because you may be accepting of something, doesn't mean it is right. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like it then tough. Just like i can't force people to accept something which goes against their being.

I know homosexuals, too. As people, they are some of the best i have come into contact with but that doesn't necessarily mean i agree with their choice of lifestyle.

true totally agreeing with you

[mandude]

1.the way they do it ...just the thought of it is
2.straigt people do it for fungay people do it for believing they are
3.well one oopinion does not represent the whole thread
4.i do get it..you don't hen sorry
5.i know lots of them the gays you know are rare they might not even be gays
6.they ain't normal because they are rare like when you have sex with a same gender that is not normal :S1. That's not very compelling. It has no evidence in it.
2. Ehh.... No. Straight people do not do it for fun. The people I know who do it, because it's them.
3. I know, so what's your point?
4. Why not explain further with proper english so I might be able to understand it? Unless you're afraid I have a valid point to go against it.
5. The definition of gay is being attracted to other people of the same sex. They are gay. And that's very hypocritical of you. You want the world full of people who share your sexual orientation, yet you don't like gays because they supposedly want the same thing?
6. When I say normal, I mean that there is nothing wrong with it. And even so, if it is rare, how does that make it wrong?

[mandude]

they do they just say they don't no effence to all of em.....if they don't want to be gay then just don't what' the defference exept the fact that they do it with the same genderI've talked to these people on other forums, so I've experienced it first hand. How would you know people you've never talked to better than me?

[mandude]

Good for you.

Just because you may be accepting of something, doesn't mean it is right. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like it then tough. Just like i can't force people to accept something which goes against their being.

I know homosexuals, too. As people, they are some of the best i have come into contact with but that doesn't necessarily mean i agree with their choice of lifestyle.Yet, you haven't given a reason why is is not right. The most I've seen is, it is not natural, or I think it is disgusting, don't ask why. It's a debates section so please gives reasons as to why you feel that way.

[clueless]

Yet, you haven't given a reason why is is not right. The most I've seen is, it is not natural, or I think it is disgusting, don't ask why. It's a debates section so please gives reasons as to why you feel that way.
Yes, that's the reasoning behind my opinion. I don't believe it is natural as homosexual couples can't procreate and the primary reason why a man and woman have sex is to procreate.

[mandude]

So you are saying it is artifical? How so? I still don't see how it's not natural, if no human has a say in it.

[clueless]

So you are saying it is artifical? How so? I still don't see how it's not natural, if no human has a say in it.
Can a homosexual couple naturally procreate? No. Therefore, it follows to say that homosexuality isn't what nature intended.

[mandude]

You still haven't answered my question. Is it artificial? It isn't chosen to be, it simply is. Not artificial in any sense.

[clueless]

You still haven't answered my question. Is it artificial? It isn't chosen to be, it simply is. Not artificial in any sense.
I guess that's where we stand to disagree. I don't think people are born gay, rather they choose that lifestyle. Yes, i've heard of people who talk of having a tough childhood with having to apparently suppress their homosexual tendencies, but i think somewhere along the line people make a conscious choice on deciding their sexual orientation. So far, there has been no evidence to suggest that people are actually born gay, and til there is convincing evidence to say to the contrary my opinion on this issue will not change.

[mandude]

I don't think people are born gay. But I neither agree that people are born straight. I believe it develops with the sex drive. I'm not by any means an expert on the subject, but I don't think it is at all possible to mentally choose what you are physically attracted to. I wouldn't be able to just one day decide I'll be gay. It doesn't happen. You try it if you think it to be possible. And if it happens to change your sexual orientation, then I guess you can easily decide it back.

[Shield]

There are endless logical fallacies that condemn homosexuality, but examples include "If I don't fight gayness, I must be gay," or "If homosexuality is not cleansed, it will eventually become a pandemic," both of which are obviously false.

[Luke]

You're all saying homsexuality is wrong and you're entitled to your own opinion but how come when I say Islam is wrong, suddenly it's not an opinion, it's be racist?

ISLAM IS WRONG. FACT.

[clueless]

You're all saying homsexuality is wrong and you're entitled to your own opinion but how come when I say Islam is wrong, suddenly it's not an opinion, it's be racist?

ISLAM IS WRONG. FACT.
What on earth are you talking about? Who mentioned Islam in this debate? By all means you are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it a fact now does it?

Of course, by many Western standards, Islam will be seen to be wrong as it attacks the very things many people are standing for now.

[Luke]

I mentioned Islam in this debate. It's a nasty, evil, wicked faith. It's turning you to hate homosexuals.

[clueless]

I mentioned Islam in this debate. It's a nasty, evil, wicked faith. It's turning you to hate homosexuals.
I don't hate homosexuals. Also, unless you can support your opinion with evidence, it will be better to remain quiet.

[Luke]

Terrorism, the hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews, the Western World......need I go on?

Evidence right there.

[Shield]

First of all, judaism is not a race; it's a religion. Calling you a racist would be of utmost retardation.

Condemning certain, if not all religions, is perfectly fine. It is those who violently retaliate that cross the line.

[clueless]

Terrorism, the hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews, the Western World......need I go on?

Evidence right there.
Well you sure need to educate yourself, before you attempt to go on. :)

Terrorism: Islam forbids the targetting of innocent civilians, therefore condemning terrorism.

Hatred of homosexuals: Homosexuality is condemned in Islam just like it is in Christainity and Judaism, correct. But that doesn't mean go kill them all.

Hatred of Jews: nonsense. If Muslims hated Jews then why are we allowed to get married to them? Muslims have a problem with Zionists, not Jews.

Hatred of the Western World: Islam condemns taking of engaging in illict sexual activity, gambling, drinking alcohol, capitalism, taking of interest, dressing immodestly, not looking out for your neighbour, child abuse or another othe form of abuse there is, being mean to animals, oppression, persecution and murder.

[mean_girl]

oh god, hey luke guy, dont make a fool of yourself, please read more and talk shit less
and backup your lines with proofs.

and stop flamming, this is really funny!

[buthy-13]

i have my opinion that say they are now why don't you tell me mandude why do you think it's right?

[buthy-13]

I mentioned Islam in this debate. It's a nasty, evil, wicked faith. It's turning you to hate homosexuals.

islam and christianity to the thing is some christian people don't to what their asked to do hey just go the way they think ....

i can't imagine a world full of gay ppl

and i will ot exept the statement that you think we hate them for no reason i do not need to repeat every fucking thing in this part

[buthy-13]

Terrorism, the hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews, the Western World......need I go on?

Evidence right there.
i don't hate jew i acctually hate you more than them ....truely ..coz we both have somthing in a commen..(believing in god)...i will not start again this thig

i don't hate western people at all i just hate who hates me and so do you

you hate arabs,muslims,the easterns ,and people who believe in god (according to what you always post)

[mandude]

i have my opinion that say they are now why don't you tell me mandude why do you think it's right?That's a very ignorant question. I've posted many reasons here, and I've yet to recieve a reply on what you think of my latest reasons.

[Pearson]

You're all saying homsexuality is wrong and you're entitled to your own opinion but how come when I say Islam is wrong, suddenly it's not an opinion, it's be racist?

ISLAM IS WRONG. FACT.

That is actually a very, very good point. Your showing your dislike for a certain type of people, gays, and you dont seem to think theres anything wrong with that. You have very, very poor arguments as to why you dont like them - i.e, 'Its sick,' 'Theres men that act like women,' 'Its un-natural,' Now Luke says his dislike for a certain type of people, Muslims, which is most of the people who disagree with homosexualtiy on this message board, and you dont like it, he points out arguments as to why he doesnt like them, and you say that it has nothing to do with the subject. Well il link it for you - your people, gays are people, muslims are people - saying a group of people are sick or wrong is wrong, how can you not see this. Its sad thats its taken an insult to bring it out, but what Luke is saying is just as valid as what your saying and its a very good way of making you see that your views are wrong.

[clueless]

That is actually a very, very good point. Your showing your dislike for a certain type of people, gays, and you dont seem to think theres anything wrong with that. You have very, very poor arguments as to why you dont like them - i.e, 'Its sick,' 'Theres men that act like women,' 'Its un-natural,' Now Luke says his dislike for a certain type of people, Muslims, which is most of the people who disagree with homosexualtiy on this message board, and you dont like it, he points out arguments as to why he doesnt like them, and you say that it has nothing to do with the subject. Well il link it for you - your people, gays are people, muslims are people - saying a group of people are sick or wrong is wrong, how can you not see this. Its sad thats its taken an insult to bring it out, but what Luke is saying is just as valid as what your saying and its a very good way of making you see that your views are wrong.
You can't compare the two.

Why? Because it hasn't been scientifically proven that somebody is born gay. I've already mentioned it before, i am prepared to think differently (not condone their lifestyles though) of homosexuals providing it can be proven that it isn't only down to people's choice to engage in a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex as themselves.

Islam on the other hand is a system of beliefs. You can't say it promotes something which is clearly doesn't- that's just straight out stupidity. Luke can hate on Islam till the cows come home, that's his choice, but he can do well not to distort things to make a point- because his point will just go out of the window.

[Luke]

i don't hate jew i acctually hate you more than them ....truely ..coz we both have somthing in a commen..(believing in god)...i will not start again this thig

i don't hate western people at all i just hate who hates me and so do you

you hate arabs,muslims,the easterns ,and people who believe in god (according to what you always post)

Arabs? No

Muslims? Yes

Easterners: Where you got that idea from?

People who believe in God: Not at all. I kinda believe there's something up above.

[Pearson]

You can't compare the two.

Why? Because it hasn't been scientifically proven that somebody is born gay. I've already mentioned it before, i am prepared to think differently (not condone their lifestyles though) of homosexuals providing it can be proven that it isn't only down to people's choice to engage in a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex as themselves.

Islam on the other hand is a system of beliefs. You can't say it promotes something which is clearly doesn't- that's just straight out stupidity. Luke can hate on Islam till the cows come home, that's his choice, but he can do well not to distort things to make a point- because his point will just go out of the window.

I can compare the two. Whether or not it is a scientific fact. Homosexuals are a set of people - your saying that them group of people are wrong. Muslims are a set of people - Luke's saying that them group of people are wrong.

Lukes suggestion is just as valid as yours or anybody elses. So why is it ok to belive that being gay is wrong and not to belive that being a muslim is wrong?

People are entitled to there own views, and this is the point that Im trying to make its just as wrong to be a racist than it is to be homophobic - the bottom line is that your both showing a dislike for a group of people.

Its as simple as that I cant put it any simpler and I cant understand how you can argue against that.

[princesssammie]

personally i don't care about people's sexual preferances but allot of people are against it just because it's against the norm. you said in school, what i've found is when people get out of school they don't care so much like at college there more open minded and don't care so much or they are atleast more relaxed about the whole sexuality thing.

[mandude]

You can't compare the two.

Why? Because it hasn't been scientifically proven that somebody is born gay. I've already mentioned it before, i am prepared to think differently (not condone their lifestyles though) of homosexuals providing it can be proven that it isn't only down to people's choice to engage in a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex as themselves.Why do you condemn them for choosing to be gay, if you don't even know if they do? You seem to be just assuming that they choose, even when there is evidence to support that they don't. And Luke's arguement is valid. I could go into detail, but I'd just be repeating Pearson.

[punk-rocker]

Arabs? No

Muslims? Yes

Easterners: Where you got that idea from?

People who believe in God: Not at all. I kinda believe there's something up above.

wtf !!!

ok btw
all the arabs r muslims

axcept some lebanese ppl

......
and islam has nothin to do with the fact tht we think its not possible to be born gay !

[clueless]

Why do you condemn them for choosing to be gay, if you don't even know if they do? You seem to be just assuming that they choose, even when there is evidence to support that they don't. And Luke's arguement is valid. I could go into detail, but I'd just be repeating Pearson.
Regardless of whether or not it can be proven that people are born gay, i wouldn't agree with their lifestyles.

[clueless]

wtf !!!

ok btw
all the arabs r muslims

axcept some lebanese ppl

......
and islam has nothin to do with the fact tht we think its not possible to be born gay !
All Arabs are not Muslims. If you were to take a trip down to Palestine, you would see Jews, Christians and Muslims living side by side. Arab is a race, Islam is a faith not tied to ethnic origin.

[metal-maniac-13]

Funny indeed, F4F, you can hate a religion as much as you want, but let it be ofr the right reasons..
You've been visiting those islamic websites made by jews again eh? :P

And to hate all muslims is ridiculousness. you've never met them all, may i know what do you have against them?
Interesting, i've got haters already...
Faster than ive thought

[clueless]

Just to make something clear: I don't hate homosexuals. What anybody does with their life is totally up to them, but that doesn't mean i am approving of their lifestyles.

[Luke]

Funny indeed, F4F, you can hate a religion as much as you want, but let it be ofr the right reasons..
You've been visiting those islamic websites made by jews again eh? :P

And to hate all muslims is ridiculousness. you've never met them all, may i know what do you have against them?
Interesting, i've got haters already...
Faster than ive thought

I don't hate religion.

What do I have against Muslims? Is this a fucking trick question? It's bloody obvious.

[metal-maniac-13]

I don't hate religion.

What do I have against Muslims? Is this a fucking trick question? It's bloody obvious.

So you dont hate islam but you hate muslims?

And you hate us because we find gayness objectionable?

[clueless]

If that's the case then Luke, don't worry. I don't like the attitudes of many Muslims either. :)

[metal-maniac-13]

Ha-ha whats he gotta worry about? :P

[buthy-13]

Arabs? No

Muslims? Yes

Easterners: Where you got that idea from?

People who believe in God: Not at all. I kinda believe there's something up above.

now look whos saying that blairs speech about racist was good

[clueless]

now look whos saying that blairs speech about racist was good
What racist speech?

[buthy-13]

What racist speech?

this one


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6219626.stm

Conform to our society, says PM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42400000/jpg/_42400194_blair_i203.jpg
Mr Blair urged the public to embrace multiculturalism
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/video_text.gifSpeech in full (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm)

People entering the UK must be prepared to be tolerant or not become part of society, Tony Blair has said. In a speech at Downing Street, the prime minister said that tolerance was "what makes Britain" and warned "we must be ready to defend this attitude".
The threat came not from "generalised extremism" but "a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community".
The Muslim Association of Britain said Mr Blair's speech was "alarming".
Wars 'not helping'
A spokesman said the prime minister should be "investing in our society" to help the deprived, rather than investing "millions and billions in illegal occupations" which had "not helped to promote multiculturalism in this country".
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Tony Blair


"Rather than standing up and lecturing us, it's time he puts his money where his mouth is," the spokesman said.
Mr Blair also used the speech to reiterate a crackdown on funding for religious and racial groups, saying in the future they would have to prove they aimed to promote community integration. This measure was recently announced by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly.
Conservative community cohesion spokesman Dominic Grieve said the speech was a "remarkable turnaround".
"Many of the problems in relation to the issues he addresses are at least in part the consequence of a philosophy of divisive multiculturalism and political correctness that has been actively promoted by the Labour Party over many years at both national and local government levels."
Funding crackdown
Liberal Democrat communities spokesman Andrew Stunell said: "We must ensure that the voices of moderation have their say, but support for organisations must not be distorted by government-driven targets or Tony Blair's personal agenda."
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif Multiculturalism makes our country more diverse, but does it actually make it any better? http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


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He said: "The right to be in a multicultural society was always implicitly balanced by a duty to integrate, to be part of Britain, to be British and Asian, British and black, British and white."
Mr Blair said "multicultural Britain" should not be dispensed with, adding: "On the contrary, we should continue celebrating it,"
But he said the suicide bombings in London on 7 July last year had thrown the whole concept of a multiculturalism "into sharp relief", the prime minister said.
"The reason we are having this debate is not generalised extremism. It is a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community.
"It is not a problem with Britons of Hindu, Afro-Caribbean, Chinese or Polish origin. Nor is it a problem with the majoirty of the Muslim community."
'Essential values'
But he said there was a "problem with a minority of that community, particularly originating from certain countries".
The failure of that part of the community to integrate did not mean multiculturalism was dead, said Mr Blair, but it would be useful to define "common values" all citizens were "expected to conform to".
"When it comes to our essential values - belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage - then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common."
Mr Blair also said: "If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us.
"The right to be different, the duty to integrate: that is what being British means.
"And neither racists nor extremists should be allowed to destroy it."
Race equality
Mr Blair said the Equal Opportunities Commission would be looking at concerns about women's status inside Muslim communities. It will report in the spring.
He also praised Tory leader David Cameron, saying it was "not conceivable in my view" that he would seek to exploit immigration to win votes.
Labour MP Keith Vaz MP has criticised the newly formed Commission for Equality and Human Rights for taking just one of its nine commissioners from a background in working for race equality.
Only chairman Trevor Phillips had this experience, he added.

[clueless]

this one


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6219626.stm

Conform to our society, says PM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif) http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42400000/jpg/_42400194_blair_i203.jpg (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42400000/jpg/_42400194_blair_i203.jpg)
Mr Blair urged the public to embrace multiculturalism
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/inline_dashed_line.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/inline_dashed_line.gif)

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm)http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/video_text.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/video_text.gif)Speech in full

People entering the UK must be prepared to be tolerant or not become part of society, Tony Blair has said. In a speech at Downing Street, the prime minister said that tolerance was "what makes Britain" and warned "we must be ready to defend this attitude".
The threat came not from "generalised extremism" but "a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community".
The Muslim Association of Britain said Mr Blair's speech was "alarming".
Wars 'not helping'
A spokesman said the prime minister should be "investing in our society" to help the deprived, rather than investing "millions and billions in illegal occupations" which had "not helped to promote multiculturalism in this country".
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif) http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif) If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif)


Tony Blair


"Rather than standing up and lecturing us, it's time he puts his money where his mouth is," the spokesman said.
Mr Blair also used the speech to reiterate a crackdown on funding for religious and racial groups, saying in the future they would have to prove they aimed to promote community integration. This measure was recently announced by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly.
Conservative community cohesion spokesman Dominic Grieve said the speech was a "remarkable turnaround".
"Many of the problems in relation to the issues he addresses are at least in part the consequence of a philosophy of divisive multiculturalism and political correctness that has been actively promoted by the Labour Party over many years at both national and local government levels."
Funding crackdown
Liberal Democrat communities spokesman Andrew Stunell said: "We must ensure that the voices of moderation have their say, but support for organisations must not be distorted by government-driven targets or Tony Blair's personal agenda."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif) HAVE YOUR SAY
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif) Multiculturalism makes our country more diverse, but does it actually make it any better? http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif)


Jamie Vaide, London

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He said: "The right to be in a multicultural society was always implicitly balanced by a duty to integrate, to be part of Britain, to be British and Asian, British and black, British and white."
Mr Blair said "multicultural Britain" should not be dispensed with, adding: "On the contrary, we should continue celebrating it,"
But he said the suicide bombings in London on 7 July last year had thrown the whole concept of a multiculturalism "into sharp relief", the prime minister said.
"The reason we are having this debate is not generalised extremism. It is a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community.
"It is not a problem with Britons of Hindu, Afro-Caribbean, Chinese or Polish origin. Nor is it a problem with the majoirty of the Muslim community."
'Essential values'
But he said there was a "problem with a minority of that community, particularly originating from certain countries".
The failure of that part of the community to integrate did not mean multiculturalism was dead, said Mr Blair, but it would be useful to define "common values" all citizens were "expected to conform to".
"When it comes to our essential values - belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage - then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common."
Mr Blair also said: "If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us.
"The right to be different, the duty to integrate: that is what being British means.
"And neither racists nor extremists should be allowed to destroy it."
Race equality
Mr Blair said the Equal Opportunities Commission would be looking at concerns about women's status inside Muslim communities. It will report in the spring.
He also praised Tory leader David Cameron, saying it was "not conceivable in my view" that he would seek to exploit immigration to win votes.
Labour MP Keith Vaz MP has criticised the newly formed Commission for Equality and Human Rights for taking just one of its nine commissioners from a background in working for race equality.
Only chairman Trevor Phillips had this experience, he added.
I got to disagree with you on this one. There was nothing racist about what he said.

[punk-rocker]

All Arabs are not Muslims. If you were to take a trip down to Palestine, you would see Jews, Christians and Muslims living side by side. Arab is a race, Islam is a faith not tied to ethnic origin.
i knw not aaall
but most ! :)

[Luke]

So you dont hate islam but you hate muslims?

And you hate us because we find gayness objectionable?

I don't hate religion. Just your religion :)

[metal-maniac-13]

I don't hate religion. Just your religion :)

Where did i say that you hate religion? i said "a religion" in my first post.
Dont you think i know that?

Have fun hating it,am not going to waste my time teachign you whats islam about, its up to you and you've been obviously brainwashed.

[Bebot]

Where did i say that you hate religion? i said "a religion" in my first post.
Dont you think i know that?

Have fun hating it,am not going to waste my time teachign you whats islam about, its up to you and you've been obviously brainwashed.
ur right metal!!!omg u people make me fucking laugh! i mean,what is up with u ? have u ever sat down and had a proper conversation or discussion with a muslim?my guess is no. its all TV in ur brains and guys in long beards and ladies in their black abayas!well guess what? thats not islam,ok? so dont u go judging a religion from what the media displays. ---- and Grow Up!

[emo-bass-rocker]

how did this get into religion? cheesy crust.

[mandude]

I know. There should be a topic where all people's arguements, get moved, that are off topic. Cheesy crust?

[emo-bass-rocker]

yeh! what you said mandude.
cheesy crust = nicer verison of jesus christ

[dorkies]

I'm a straight person and i believe that you can't help who you fall in love with. You don't have to accept a person's lifestyle, but you don't have to disrespect them either. Love is love, which I believe...I think that it's a little farfetched when someone say, ewww...you're gay and that's sick....yea, you have the rights to your opinion, but sometimes it isn't always necessary...

[xMissIzzyx]

well.. where do I start
My best friend's gay and I think he's the best person I've ever met, and not because he's gay.
it isn't a disease. it's a person's personal preference. if everyone in the world was gay people would think being straight was weird.
and so what if they publicly express it? straight people do, why should gays be excluded? might as well go back to seperating black people from white.
it's FUCKING POINTLESS.
I'm bi myself so don't start thinking I'm a huge feminist lesbian. I just don't see why we should discriminate people for who they are. The fact is there's gay people everywhere, just like there's black people, white people, whatever. People may not like it but complaining about them won't make them go away.
Really, shut up, get out your own arse and concentrate on yourselves cos tbh if you have nothing better to do than abuse people for what they want to do with their lives and not being the fucking same as everyone else then you're a sad, sad person and I feel sorry for you.

[metal-maniac-13]

Some people think its cool to declare "i hate islam" bebot :D.

Miss izzy, im not going to charge you if you find something peculiar..
I dont have evils against gay people, ive got problems with gayness..
If you could differentiate..
Means i dont hate someone because he\shes gay, on the contrary i have an aversion to their gender preference.

[punk-rocker]

ur right metal!!!omg u people make me fucking laugh! i mean,what is up with u ? have u ever sat down and had a proper conversation or discussion with a muslim?my guess is no. its all TV in ur brains and guys in long beards and ladies in their black abayas!well guess what? thats not islam,ok? so dont u go judging a religion from what the media displays. ---- and Grow Up!

yeah
i think u ppl say that because of wt the media shows

n if u ever went to a muslim counrty .. i dont think u would say tht

[mandude]

Why not just start a new thread, because what you're discussing is only vaguely linked with that of what you are supposed to be discussing.

[iaxa]

All Arabs are not Muslims. If you were to take a trip down to Palestine, you would see Jews, Christians and Muslims living side by side. Arab is a race, Islam is a faith not tied to ethnic origin.

arab is slang anyways..

[clueless]

arab is slang anyways..
Slang for what? Arabian or Muslim?

[Brunette]

luke is a racist loser who got nuffin better to do in his messed up depressed life
:P

[Bebot]

luke is a racist loser who got nuffin better to do in his messed up depressed life
:P
i whole-heartedly agree ;)

[Luke]

Keep your homophobic comments to yourself.

Yeah, i'm really depressed aren't I? LOL

Ya dont even know me so stop commenting on my life.

Islam's not a race so not racist. :)

[clueless]

Keep your homophobic comments to yourself.

Yeah, i'm really depressed aren't I? LOL

Ya dont even know me so stop commenting on my life.

Islam's not a race so not racist. :)
My comments aren't homophobic. I didn't say i hated gays on the basis that they are gay. I said i didn't approve of their lifestyle, doesn't mean i'm going to start WWIII to wipe them off the face of this Earth now.

I don't need to know you personally, to know you don't even know the first thing about Islam. You probably think we worship a guy called Muhammad, lol.

On the basis that Islam is termed as a religion, but it does cross all boundaries and Muslims see every other Muslim as part of a global community but that doesn't mean being islamophobic now has a place in society. Discrimation is discrimation.I guess people fear that which they don't understand.

[Luke]

My comments aren't homophobic. I didn't say i hated gays on the basis that they are gay. I said i didn't approve of their lifestyle, doesn't mean i'm going to start WWIII to wipe them off the face of this Earth now.

I don't need to know you personally, to know you don't even know the first thing about Islam. You probably think we worship a guy called Muhammad, lol.

On the basis that Islam is termed as a religion, but it does cross all boundaries and Muslims see every other Muslim as part of a global community but that doesn't mean being islamophobic now has a place in society. Discrimation is discrimation.I guess people fear that which they don't understand.

Erm...yeah. I fear Islam and I don't understand it.

No.

I just hate the nasty, wicked, vile faith.

Fuck mohmamed
Fuck allah

[clueless]

Erm...yeah. I fear Islam and I don't understand it.

No.

I just hate the nasty, wicked, vile faith.

Fuck mohmamed
Fuck allah
I feel sorry for you, i really do.

Are you prepared to engage in an intellectual debate over the misgivings you have of Islam and not just talk out of your backside?

[Bob!]

This thread is not for debating races or religions.

Get back on topic.

[xMissIzzyx]

Some people think its cool to declare "i hate islam" bebot :D.

Miss izzy, im not going to charge you if you find something peculiar..
I dont have evils against gay people, ive got problems with gayness..
If you could differentiate..
Means i dont hate someone because he\shes gay, on the contrary i have an aversion to their gender preference.
okay fair enough, I apologise
but why have a problem with gayness either?
just because it isn't "normal" ?
when you can give me a realistic, worthy reason as to why it's "wrong" or whatever I'll listen to anything you have to say
until then
meh.

[punk-rocker]

Erm...yeah. I fear Islam and I don't understand it.

No.

I just hate the nasty, wicked, vile faith.

Fuck mohmamed
Fuck allah
FUck you
and i hope u burn in hell !

[clueless]

FUck you
and i hope u burn in hell !
There's no point getting mad about it, he's just being provocative.

Back on topic.

[metal-maniac-13]

okay fair enough, I apologise
but why have a problem with gayness either?
just because it isn't "normal" ?
when you can give me a realistic, worthy reason as to why it's "wrong" or whatever I'll listen to anything you have to say
until then
meh.

if i want to be homosexual then i can be.. if i want to be bisexual i can be.. if i want to be transexual i can be..if i want to engage in bestiality then i can. but i prefer to choose being heterosexual.

conclusion: humans will hump anything that moves.. its just a lifestyle.. nothing more.. I'm still not convinced that it has to do with hormones.. even if it does.. how many homosexuals actually have defected hormones? And the real homosexuals aren't the ones you see wearing pink and being extremely feminine. I heard that most homosexuals are in fact manly in everyway and live a normal lifestyle that is accepted by most men.

[PrincessAlice]

ur right metal!!!omg u people make me fucking laugh! i mean,what is up with u ? have u ever sat down and had a proper conversation or discussion with a muslim?my guess is no. its all TV in ur brains and guys in long beards and ladies in their black abayas!well guess what? thats not islam,ok? so dont u go judging a religion from what the media displays. ---- and Grow Up!

i have actually and the ones i did sit down and talk to i did not like they had a very bad attitude and thought they was all that....... yeah i'm with luke about this all the way about religion

yeah get back on topic now eh........... i have nothing againt gay people its them being theirself people who are against gay people are just the same as racist people its all about how narrowminded people are

[Luke]

FUck you
and i hope u burn in hell !

I won't be burning hell.

Those terrorist wankers aren't really in paradise, you know.

[PrincessAlice]

FUck you
and i hope u burn in hell !

there is no need for that all he said was fuck your religion not you personaly

[clueless]

I won't be burning hell.

Those terrorist wankers aren't really in paradise, you know.
We know. Islam doesn't condone terrorism, you know.

[xMissIzzyx]

This proper is going off the point
n I'm just confused now

[buthy-13]

Keep your homophobic comments to yourself.

Yeah, i'm really depressed aren't I? LOL

Ya dont even know me so stop commenting on my life.

Islam's not a race so not racist. :)

i give that three underlines

you don't know me ...us...so please don't judge me

[buthy-13]

My comments aren't homophobic. I didn't say i hated gays on the basis that they are gay. I said i didn't approve of their lifestyle, doesn't mean i'm going to start WWIII to wipe them off the face of this Earth now.

I don't need to know you personally, to know you don't even know the first thing about Islam. You probably think we worship a guy called Muhammad, lol.

On the basis that Islam is termed as a religion, but it does cross all boundaries and Muslims see every other Muslim as part of a global community but that doesn't mean being islamophobic now has a place in society. Discrimation is discrimation.I guess people fear that which they don't understand.

read that twice luke ....if you don't get it i'll mail you a book about my relegion

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back to topic

like what metal (my sweetie)said
i do not hate that gay guy or girl because their gay
i hate them becoz of the fact
like you think their right...then please luke and mandude and whoever say's it's right and not SICK pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease enlighten me
coz unlike you luke i don't close my mind while reading comments about gay people
all you do is give an opinion and don't give a damn about other people's opinion

[mandude]

read that twice luke ....if you don't get it i'll mail you a book about my relegion

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back to topic

like what metal (my sweetie)said
i do not hate that gay guy or girl because their gay
i hate them becoz of the fact
like you think their right...then please luke and mandude and whoever say's it's right and not SICK pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease enlighten me
coz unlike you luke i don't close my mind while reading comments about gay people
all you do is give an opinion and don't give a damn about other people's opinionI've already said how can it be wrong if they don't have a choice, and don't say they do have a choice, because there is much evidence to support they don't. So basically you are saying they are born wrong. And note, when I say normal, I don't mean usual, I mean alright as in it doesn't harm anyone. And by that statement, gayness is normal. I'm afraid I'm just repeating myself though. :/

You emphasize the word sick with capital letters ... is that supposed to get through to us and change our minds? Capital letters don't win arguements.

[clueless]

I've already said how can it be wrong if they don't have a choice, and don't say they do have a choice, because there is much evidence to support they don't. So basically you are saying they are born wrong. And note, when I say normal, I don't mean usual, I mean alright as in it doesn't harm anyone. And by that statement, gayness is normal. I'm afraid I'm just repeating myself though. :/
Something which may be wrong to you may not be so to another person. I would be interesting to see the evidence to support the viewpoint that homosexuals do not choose to be homosexuals.

[mandude]

People who don't want to be homosexual, yet still are. It would be much easier to live in today's world without being homosexual, yet have the ones who want to change ever accomplished it? No, because one's sex drive is instinctual, and you can't change instinct directly. Even so, changing one's instinct indirectly would be without their willing to do so, which would still not fit into the scenario of them "choosing to be gay".

[clueless]

People who don't want to be homosexual, yet still are. It would be much easier to live in today's world without being homosexual, yet have the ones who want to change ever accomplished it? No, because one's sex drive is instinctual, and you can't change instinct directly. Even so, changing one's instinct indirectly would be without their willing to do so, which would still not fit into the scenario of them "choosing to be gay".
Alternatively, society telling people who are in relationships with someone of the same sex that it's normal may lead them to internalise the notion and argue that being gay is completely natural.

Western society is fast losing morality. In an age where money is worshipped rather than God, fulfilment of personal desires takes first priority. To some extent becoming tolerable to change (criminalising racism for example) is progression but now the very foundations, values and morals on which society was built are being slowly eroded.

[mandude]

Alternatively, society telling people who are in relationships with someone of the same sex that it's normal may lead them to internalise the notion and argue that being gay is completely natural.That scenario doesn't really say much. You stated that they were already in the gay relationship, and then internalised it was right. How did they get to that stage? That still doesn't explain the people who are abused as a result of this. These are people who are comfortable with it because other people say it's alright. There are people who want to change, because they are discriminated against. They still can't change.


Western society is fast losing morality. In an age where money is worshipped rather than God, fulfilment of personal desires takes first priority. To some extent becoming tolerable to change (criminalising racism for example) is progression but now the very foundations, values and morals on which society was built are being slowly eroded.I don't see what this has to do with homosexuality, unless you are stating it is immoral, in which case you haven't given a reason as to why, so much as just said it was.

And for the record, I'd worship money before I ever worship god. At least money would be real. And don't take me up on this. I have good reasons.

[clueless]

That scenario doesn't really say much. You stated that they were already in the gay relationship, and then internalised it was right. How did they get to that stage? That still doesn't explain the people who are abused as a result of this. These are people who are comfortable with it because other people say it's alright. There are people who want to change, because they are discriminated against. They still can't change.
Can't they? Or has the acceptance of homosexuality trangressed so far into their mental thinking that they don't want to. I guess it's open to debate.

I don't have any firm answers, just ideas. Just like everybody else.

[buthy-13]

I've already said how can it be wrong if they don't have a choice, and don't say they do have a choice, because there is much evidence to support they don't. So basically you are saying they are born wrong. And note, when I say normal, I don't mean usual, I mean alright as in it doesn't harm anyone. And by that statement, gayness is normal. I'm afraid I'm just repeating myself though. :/

You emphasize the word sick with capital letters ... is that supposed to get through to us and change our minds? Capital letters don't win arguements.

first part i know it but yet i don't get YOU ...you can see the you with capital


so you may open you mind

2nd part.....i don't wonna change no ones mind when it comes to you thinking it's right and me thining its wrong i do so when you or anyone else may read this then they can know how i do feel exactly

[mandude]

I'm talking to people whose sexual orientation isn't accepted by the people around them. You don't seem to be getting that. These people have never got acceptance to intake. I've never heard of a homosexual who has changed his/her sexual desires. You'd think that if it was possible, then someone out of the millions would have done it, and in case you might, don't bring up people who suppress their sexual desires, because at the end of the day, they are still gay.

[mandude]

first part i know it but yet i don't get YOU ...you can see the you with capital


so you may open you mind

2nd part.....i don't wonna change no ones mind when it comes to you thinking it's right and me thining its wrong i do so when you or anyone else may read this then they can know how i do feel exactlyI don't hope to change anyone's mind against their will, only try to make them understand what I mean.

And capital emphasism won't open my mind. I am well able to read every word in a paragraph, and I definitely wouldn't have missed 'sick'. To me, it only makes apparent that you don't have real points.

If incase that didn't open your mind, I have a backup plan.

AND CAPITAL EMPHASIS WONT OPEN MY MIND. I AM WELL ABLE TO READ EVERY WORD IN A PARAGRAPH, AND I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HAVE MISSED 'SICK'. TO ME, IT ONLY MAKES APPARENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE REAL POINTS.

Did that work? I don't really think it made a difference.

[buthy-13]

I don't hope to change anyone's mind against their will, only try to make them understand what I mean.

And capital emphasism won't open my mind. I am well able to read every word in a paragraph, and I definitely wouldn't have missed 'sick'. To me, it only makes apparent that you don't have real points.

If incase that didn't open your mind, I have a backup plan.

AND CAPITAL EMPHASIS WONT OPEN MY MIND. I AM WELL ABLE TO READ EVERY WORD IN A PARAGRAPH, AND I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HAVE MISSED 'SICK'. TO ME, IT ONLY MAKES APPARENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE REAL POINTS.

Did that work? I don't really think it made a difference.

a king never repeats their word....ehm

i like using capital or whatever

[Will]

I think sexuality isn't determined genetically, I always thought it was learned behaviour. If that's true there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to learn new sexual behaviour, for example: Screwing pigs, sisters, vacume cleaners etc.

I'm sure you're not going to argue that whether someone screws a hoover or not is determined genetically, so why argue that whether someone screws the same sex or not is?

[Gretchen]

people are being just people. usually people need time to get used to new things. also not everyone is the same and everybody thinks differently. why do you think that lesbians have right to have their own opinion and those who are against it can not have their own opinion??!! people just need to learn RESPECT different people's opinion, like if i see 2 guys giving each other a frenchy on a street... even though i will definitely say "eww" i will not judge them cos it's wrong. and that's the problem with the people, they judge people by what society as a whole thinks is right or wrong... btw, i always heared that especially guys find lesbianism attractive... lol

[Alexander~Selph]

Bible says men don't buttfuck each other. Women don't lick pussy. So there. Thats why the world has a problem with it. It doens't get much deeper. If you don't have the intellect to realize majority of the world is fucking bible-believers...and that that is said in the bible...Then you need to, just, well...Go die. :| Jesus said to accept everyone. Accept them. But God is still going to go... "Um, hey, losers. No. You go to hell. Okay, well it's either we cut off your dicks and fill your anus with cement for five hundred years per sperm you inserted into your buddy's hershey highway." at the end of time when he judge folks. ;/

[mandude]

I think you'll find the majority of the world don't believe in the bible. Christianity just happens to be the most popular religion. They are quite different things. Also, most people believed that the world was flat. They were wrong, as could be the bible-believers. Also, are you trying to say we should take your word, over Jesus', on what god intends? Had he been the son of god, I'd trust him over you. You'll also find a lot of the people on these boards are Muslim and atheist.

[jellyroll]

i don't have a problem with it at all... i mean, it's none of my business what someone else does. if you love someone, gender should not be an issue.

[oh_sylphility]

Here's something to give you the creeps.

Im gay and im only 14. So im a proud homosexual. Appears that I first like/date girls when I was 9. My sister's gay too, so are alot of my friends. And alot of people are gay, they choose to be that way so why brag about it? Gays are gays. Men who are gay don't have to be lady-like to be gay, no does a woman have to be men-like to be gay. So men who are lady-like, God created them with a soft heart with soft feelings, thats why most of them are lady-like. But not all lady-like men are gay, some aren't, they are just soft-hearted.

That doesn't mean I hate homophobics or whatsoever. I only hate it when people say we homosexuals aren't suppose to be. We just love the same-sex. (Look at my signature.) People love people, people love animals, people love technology, people love the same-sex. It doesn't matter what gender you are, love is possible. A girl loves a girl because she finds the other girl important to her life and loves her dearly, same to men. Imagine a girl who loves a boy, they love each other so much, then people keep teasing your relantionship and try to break off you both, isn't that saddening?

Overall, Im not going against homophobis or saying that homophobics sucks, they don't cause they are people just like us. Homophobics are people who fears homosexuality or disagree with them. And also, I agree that gays don't need to show the public that they are gay, once you proud of it, you don't have to go around the world shouting "Oh look Im feeling sooo gay!". That's a total shame. I don't hate people who love the opposite sex either.

Isn't love complicated. Someone can even go head over heels with his pet dog or his tv.

Btw,

I don't mind you saying "I hate Islam" or whatsoever. Im a muslim and Islam is my religion. I know arabs who are Islam sometimes do wrong stuff. Even I think so. As an Islam, muslims arent suppose to kill people and all those terrorism stuff. God forbids it. So you see, not ALL Muslims are like that. There are different types of Islam, like Christians have Chatholics and all, Islam have Shi'ah and many more. It's doesnt matter if you believe or don't believe in God, it is your choice to believe or not, just like being gay. Not just arabs are Islam, Islam are spread all over the world, US, Russia, China, Asia, Africa, you name it. Im from Singapore btw.

Of course Islam forbids stuff like, murder, sex before marriage, liquor, homosexuality and lots more. But look at me, Im an Islam, yet Im gay, I drink and all. But I am still a proud Muslim. Islam means peace, I don't know why the heck the Islams that are killing each other doesn't recall the word peace. Many Muslims do not follow the rules of Islam but they still are proud to be Islam.

Saying mean stuff/words about us, that's just not knowing what Islam is all about.
Would someone like it like this?
e.g = (this is just showing an example! i don't hate other religions!)
"I fear -insert religion here- ! Fuck -insert religion's holy prophet's name- ! Fuck -insert God's name- !"
That is disturbing. Why do you think Jerusalem has an Islam mosque, Christian church and Jewish Wall all side by side, the temple mount? Because we all believe in one God, henotheism (the worship of one god without denying the existence of others). Jesus was a jew anyway.

So overall again, I don't go against any religions, you believe what you believe.

Anyways, it's Nabi Muhammed or Mohammed(slang).
And Allah means God. I doubt you believe in God.

[Bebot]

well said,Oh_Sylphility !

[clueless]

Here's something to give you the creeps.

Im gay and im only 14. So im a proud homosexual. Appears that I first like/date girls when I was 9. My sister's gay too, so are alot of my friends. And alot of people are gay, they choose to be that way so why brag about it? Gays are gays. Men who are gay don't have to be lady-like to be gay, no does a woman have to be men-like to be gay. So men who are lady-like, God created them with a soft heart with soft feelings, thats why most of them are lady-like. But not all lady-like men are gay, some aren't, they are just soft-hearted.

That doesn't mean I hate homophobics or whatsoever. I only hate it when people say we homosexuals aren't suppose to be. We just love the same-sex. (Look at my signature.) People love people, people love animals, people love technology, people love the same-sex. It doesn't matter what gender you are, love is possible. A girl loves a girl because she finds the other girl important to her life and loves her dearly, same to men. Imagine a girl who loves a boy, they love each other so much, then people keep teasing your relantionship and try to break off you both, isn't that saddening?

Overall, Im not going against homophobis or saying that homophobics sucks, they don't cause they are people just like us. Homophobics are people who fears homosexuality or disagree with them. And also, I agree that gays don't need to show the public that they are gay, once you proud of it, you don't have to go around the world shouting "Oh look Im feeling sooo gay!". That's a total shame. I don't hate people who love the opposite sex either.

Isn't love complicated. Someone can even go head over heels with his pet dog or his tv.

Btw,

I don't mind you saying "I hate Islam" or whatsoever. Im a muslim and Islam is my religion. I know arabs who are Islam sometimes do wrong stuff. Even I think so. As an Islam, muslims arent suppose to kill people and all those terrorism stuff. God forbids it. So you see, not ALL Muslims are like that. There are different types of Islam, like Christians have Chatholics and all, Islam have Shi'ah and many more. It's doesnt matter if you believe or don't believe in God, it is your choice to believe or not, just like being gay. Not just arabs are Islam, Islam are spread all over the world, US, Russia, China, Asia, Africa, you name it. Im from Singapore btw.

Of course Islam forbids stuff like, murder, sex before marriage, liquor, homosexuality and lots more. But look at me, Im an Islam, yet Im gay, I drink and all. But I am still a proud Muslim. Islam means peace, I don't know why the heck the Islams that are killing each other doesn't recall the word peace. Many Muslims do not follow the rules of Islam but they still are proud to be Islam.

Saying mean stuff/words about us, that's just not knowing what Islam is all about.
Would someone like it like this?
e.g = (this is just showing an example! i don't hate other religions!)
"I fear -insert religion here- ! Fuck -insert religion's holy prophet's name- ! Fuck -insert God's name- !"
That is disturbing. Why do you think Jerusalem has an Islam mosque, Christian church and Jewish Wall all side by side, the temple mount? Because we all believe in one God, henotheism (the worship of one god without denying the existence of others). Jesus was a jew anyway.

So overall again, I don't go against any religions, you believe what you believe.

Anyways, it's Nabi Muhammed or Mohammed(slang).
And Allah means God. I doubt you believe in God.
With all due respect, i'm in no position to judge you but you sure as hell do have your texts mixed up. How can you say you are still a proud Muslim when the basic tenants of your faith shuns the way in which you live your life? You seem to be proud of living in sin. I guess you're one of those progressive types? lol. God be with you.

[kissx3]

it doesnt really bug me if they're gay or not,...they can do whatever or whoever they want, its up to them,...its their life...but i also dont wanna see them making out in public, if you're gay thts fine but keep it to yourself, you dont need to show the whole world...

[Brunette]

Erm...yeah. I fear Islam and I don't understand it.

No.

I just hate the nasty, wicked, vile faith.

Fuck mohmamed
Fuck allah

fuck you !! LOSER !!

look who's acting chilish now , so i really dont think u should go around telling people to stop acting like children anymore !

[NATAL!E]

Those of you who think homosexuality is wrong and chosen could do to speak to my boss. She's an extremely admirable woman.

I was always open-minded, but I'd never really thought about homosexuality indepth. It was always just something other people were. As soon as I met her and she talked to me about her life, I realised what some homosexuals actually go through. She's got very different views and she's very intellectual, and when she talks, you cant help but listen.

She's told me quite a bit about her life, and really. It opens your eyes to how some homosexuals live in denial because they don't want to be who they are and stuff. I think it's a shame, to be ashamed of who you are/

[Alexander~Selph]

Atheists and Muslims? Eh, well, Muslims at least are decent fellows save for the extremists. But Atheism is rather...well...idiotic I'm sorry. :\ You want to me to get out of the religious air? Fine, for you atheists let me explain. Atheists believe in general there is no divine sentient wisdom, correct? Well, the mystery of life then to you would be reproduction to keep the population advancing to eventually become a greater civilization and ecosystem. This requires the correct genetical partners. Male and female. Not female and female. Not male and male. It leads to the eventual downfall of the structure and death of the species. Because thats all we are here for, without the sense of a greater wisdom, to do nothing more then fuck. Over and over again and pump out as many units as possible. So, gays, unable to have their own normally genetically produced units are unwanted and unnessisary in the ecosystem. And if you're going to argue that isn't why we are here because we're more sentient, stop and realize you're being hypocritical. We have nothing more to do, without a great beyond, to reproduce and die. And if you don't believe me, here, I'll go furthur to explain. The Universe itself is believed to be spanning for almost forever, making our tiny little speck of a planet nothing special, and especially yourself. You're nothing, you're just a microorganism in the cosmic build. You'll never amount to anything. At all. And due to recent discoveries of the furthured dimensional limits, coming to a total of 11 -- (A single time-based dimension and ten dimensions like our three dimensional world all moving with more numerous motions ) -- this number, combined with a theory known as String Theory creates a new theory known as M Theory, which helped solve the great [?] of the Big Bang Theory (Personally which I find to generic to be real. Call me a believer, but hey, listen, the Big Bang had to happen outside reality without any physics. You call me ridiculous about a God? HAHAHAH! Same shit mother fucker, same mine happened in seven days.) which then they've been applying. The String Theory encompensates every component of our Universe in it's code. But with it we discovered with the eleventh dimension the string theory became in fact a membrane, M Theory. This led to the realization and mathematical reality that there is an infinite number of parralel universes called the multiverse and that we are nothing more but floating through a small bubble in a sea. Parallel universes where anything that can happen, is happening. Millions with different sets of ruling physics, and endless combinations of events and things and creatures and living beings and so forth. Some made of sheer electronic power, others made of nothing more then radiation in various forms. And when two of these membranes collided we had the Big Bang, says the theory, and so the universe came into about. Now know what they're trying to do? lol...Create miniature Universe inside our own. Something entirely possible, they claim. I cannae wait for it to backfire and destroy this miserable little rotting blue ball and for finally God to reveal himself.

And if it works...realize something...We're most likely nothing more then some stupid fucking kid's science project. (God, maybe? HMM? HUMHOHUM? GOD KEEPS GETTING PROVEN! HAHAHA! XD) But lets hope not, and lets hope you realize how insignificant you our without God and how this whole topic is in a grand veiw, and how trivial it is still on the average interpretation.


- ,,|,, ('.'<) "It's really bad when Kirbie decides to flip you off."

[Nintendus]

Atheists and Muslims? Eh, well, Muslims at least are decent fellows save for the extremists. But Atheism is rather...well...idiotic I'm sorry. :\ You want to me to get out of the religious air? Fine, for you atheists let me explain. Atheists believe in general there is no divine sentient wisdom, correct? Well, the mystery of life then to you would be reproduction to keep the population advancing to eventually become a greater civilization and ecosystem. This requires the correct genetical partners. Male and female. Not female and female. Not male and male. It leads to the eventual downfall of the structure and death of the species. Because thats all we are here for, without the sense of a greater wisdom, to do nothing more then fuck. Over and over again and pump out as many units as possible. So, gays, unable to have their own normally genetically produced units are unwanted and unnessisary in the ecosystem. And if you're going to argue that isn't why we are here because we're more sentient, stop and realize you're being hypocritical. We have nothing more to do, without a great beyond, to reproduce and die. And if you don't believe me, here, I'll go furthur to explain. The Universe itself is believed to be spanning for almost forever, making our tiny little speck of a planet nothing special, and especially yourself. You're nothing, you're just a microorganism in the cosmic build. You'll never amount to anything. At all. And due to recent discoveries of the furthured dimensional limits, coming to a total of 11 -- (A single time-based dimension and ten dimensions like our three dimensional world all moving with more numerous motions ) -- this number, combined with a theory known as String Theory creates a new theory known as M Theory, which helped solve the great [?] of the Big Bang Theory (Personally which I find to generic to be real. Call me a believer, but hey, listen, the Big Bang had to happen outside reality without any physics. You call me ridiculous about a God? HAHAHAH! Same shit mother fucker, same mine happened in seven days.) which then they've been applying. The String Theory encompensates every component of our Universe in it's code. But with it we discovered with the eleventh dimension the string theory became in fact a membrane, M Theory. This led to the realization and mathematical reality that there is an infinite number of parralel universes called the multiverse and that we are nothing more but floating through a small bubble in a sea. Parallel universes where anything that can happen, is happening. Millions with different sets of ruling physics, and endless combinations of events and things and creatures and living beings and so forth. Some made of sheer electronic power, others made of nothing more then radiation in various forms. And when two of these membranes collided we had the Big Bang, says the theory, and so the universe came into about. Now know what they're trying to do? lol...Create miniature Universe inside our own. Something entirely possible, they claim. I cannae wait for it to backfire and destroy this miserable little rotting blue ball and for finally God to reveal himself.

And if it works...realize something...We're most likely nothing more then some stupid fucking kid's science project. (God, maybe? HMM? HUMHOHUM? GOD KEEPS GETTING PROVEN! HAHAHA! XD) But lets hope not, and lets hope you realize how insignificant you our without God and how this whole topic is in a grand veiw, and how trivial it is still on the average interpretation.


- ,,|,, ('.'<) "It's really bad when Kirbie decides to flip you off."
Let me just say first, that is one of the most fragmented arguments I have ever heard. For one it needs more paragraphs, and two, it strays too far from the original point, that the reader simply forgets what your argument is.

I completely disagree with you, although it hardly matters as you don't seem to be able to understand anyone's else's beliefs and opinions, save your own. I suppose I am an Atheist, I also consider myself a humanist, I agree with most of the Humanist views. I believe that humans are absolutely fantastic, that is a personal belief of mine. I believe that every human is the most important thing in the world, all having value. Not just empty vessels of life pumping out streams of children. Humanity is so much more, it is a married couple, a random child debating on an internt forum. It is absolutely brilliant, I find you are de-valuing it completely saying the only purpose is to produce life.

The fact that the same gender can be attracted to each other is brilliant in my opinion, just shows how fantastically diverse humanity can be. The human race is not going to die out because a few people are gay, using that logic you can say that being an asexual, or un-married is wrong.

I don't expect you will understand my views, but they is them, that they are, up above they be.

[Pearson]

Atheists and Muslims? Eh, well, Muslims at least are decent fellows save for the extremists. But Atheism is rather...well...idiotic I'm sorry. :\ You want to me to get out of the religious air? Fine, for you atheists let me explain. Atheists believe in general there is no divine sentient wisdom, correct? Well, the mystery of life then to you would be reproduction to keep the population advancing to eventually become a greater civilization and ecosystem. This requires the correct genetical partners. Male and female. Not female and female. Not male and male. It leads to the eventual downfall of the structure and death of the species. Because thats all we are here for, without the sense of a greater wisdom, to do nothing more then fuck. Over and over again and pump out as many units as possible. So, gays, unable to have their own normally genetically produced units are unwanted and unnessisary in the ecosystem. And if you're going to argue that isn't why we are here because we're more sentient, stop and realize you're being hypocritical. We have nothing more to do, without a great beyond, to reproduce and die. And if you don't believe me, here, I'll go furthur to explain. The Universe itself is believed to be spanning for almost forever, making our tiny little speck of a planet nothing special, and especially yourself. You're nothing, you're just a microorganism in the cosmic build. You'll never amount to anything. At all. And due to recent discoveries of the furthured dimensional limits, coming to a total of 11 -- (A single time-based dimension and ten dimensions like our three dimensional world all moving with more numerous motions ) -- this number, combined with a theory known as String Theory creates a new theory known as M Theory, which helped solve the great [?] of the Big Bang Theory (Personally which I find to generic to be real. Call me a believer, but hey, listen, the Big Bang had to happen outside reality without any physics. You call me ridiculous about a God? HAHAHAH! Same shit mother fucker, same mine happened in seven days.) which then they've been applying. The String Theory encompensates every component of our Universe in it's code. But with it we discovered with the eleventh dimension the string theory became in fact a membrane, M Theory. This led to the realization and mathematical reality that there is an infinite number of parralel universes called the multiverse and that we are nothing more but floating through a small bubble in a sea. Parallel universes where anything that can happen, is happening. Millions with different sets of ruling physics, and endless combinations of events and things and creatures and living beings and so forth. Some made of sheer electronic power, others made of nothing more then radiation in various forms. And when two of these membranes collided we had the Big Bang, says the theory, and so the universe came into about. Now know what they're trying to do? lol...Create miniature Universe inside our own. Something entirely possible, they claim. I cannae wait for it to backfire and destroy this miserable little rotting blue ball and for finally God to reveal himself.

And if it works...realize something...We're most likely nothing more then some stupid fucking kid's science project. (God, maybe? HMM? HUMHOHUM? GOD KEEPS GETTING PROVEN! HAHAHA! XD) But lets hope not, and lets hope you realize how insignificant you our without God and how this whole topic is in a grand veiw, and how trivial it is still on the average interpretation.


- ,,|,, ('.'<) "It's really bad when Kirbie decides to flip you off."

Im sure you could have summed that up in a nice easy bite size paragraph, rather than writing all that shite.

[Chris]

Atheists and Muslims? Eh, well, Muslims at least are decent fellows save for the extremists. But Atheism is rather...well...idiotic I'm sorry. :\ You want to me to get out of the religious air? Fine, for you atheists let me explain. Atheists believe in general there is no divine sentient wisdom, correct? Well, the mystery of life then to you would be reproduction to keep the population advancing to eventually become a greater civilization and ecosystem. This requires the correct genetical partners. Male and female. Not female and female. Not male and male. It leads to the eventual downfall of the structure and death of the species. Because thats all we are here for, without the sense of a greater wisdom, to do nothing more then fuck. Over and over again and pump out as many units as possible. So, gays, unable to have their own normally genetically produced units are unwanted and unnessisary in the ecosystem. And if you're going to argue that isn't why we are here because we're more sentient, stop and realize you're being hypocritical. We have nothing more to do, without a great beyond, to reproduce and die. And if you don't believe me, here, I'll go furthur to explain. The Universe itself is believed to be spanning for almost forever, making our tiny little speck of a planet nothing special, and especially yourself. You're nothing, you're just a microorganism in the cosmic build. You'll never amount to anything. At all. And due to recent discoveries of the furthured dimensional limits, coming to a total of 11 -- (A single time-based dimension and ten dimensions like our three dimensional world all moving with more numerous motions ) -- this number, combined with a theory known as String Theory creates a new theory known as M Theory, which helped solve the great [?] of the Big Bang Theory (Personally which I find to generic to be real. Call me a believer, but hey, listen, the Big Bang had to happen outside reality without any physics. You call me ridiculous about a God? HAHAHAH! Same shit mother fucker, same mine happened in seven days.) which then they've been applying. The String Theory encompensates every component of our Universe in it's code. But with it we discovered with the eleventh dimension the string theory became in fact a membrane, M Theory. This led to the realization and mathematical reality that there is an infinite number of parralel universes called the multiverse and that we are nothing more but floating through a small bubble in a sea. Parallel universes where anything that can happen, is happening. Millions with different sets of ruling physics, and endless combinations of events and things and creatures and living beings and so forth. Some made of sheer electronic power, others made of nothing more then radiation in various forms. And when two of these membranes collided we had the Big Bang, says the theory, and so the universe came into about. Now know what they're trying to do? lol...Create miniature Universe inside our own. Something entirely possible, they claim. I cannae wait for it to backfire and destroy this miserable little rotting blue ball and for finally God to reveal himself.

And if it works...realize something...We're most likely nothing more then some stupid fucking kid's science project. (God, maybe? HMM? HUMHOHUM? GOD KEEPS GETTING PROVEN! HAHAHA! XD) But lets hope not, and lets hope you realize how insignificant you our without God and how this whole topic is in a grand veiw, and how trivial it is still on the average interpretation.


- ,,|,, ('.'<) "It's really bad when Kirbie decides to flip you off."

Learn to use proper paragraphs and make it more readable, i get a headache just attempting to read your overblown posts.

When the hell did they prove that there were Parallel universes? I'm pretty sure its impossible to prove such a thing...Although, maybe it was in YOUR own personal universe, you know the one where they proved the existence of Jesus and God :rolleyes:.

Also, how the living fuck did a topic about Homosexuals turn into a debate about the existence of parallel universes?

[Bebot]

Beats me

[JeremyLOST]

You know what I dont understand? People think lesbianism is wrong. I'm str8 myself but I've always thought that if you love somebody it shouldn't matter who you go out with as long as you love them. Two of my friends are lesbians and I'm cool with that. But people in school say..."eewwww that disgusting" its like, why is it digusting?
Feel free to express your opinion. I understand why you'd be against it if you were religious but still free to add your opinion. xx

Nothing's wrong with it at all. Gay people have the same right to go around and say "Ew you straight people disgust me" It's all just retardedly immature and I myself have NO problems at all with homo/bi - sexuals.

[llcoolz]

I am a bisexual and i think straight homosexuality is wrong and sick considering we were put on this planet to breed

[mandude]

I am a bisexual and i think straight homosexuality is wrong and sick considering we were put on this planet to breed
I don't beieve we were put here to breed. If you look at it as a whole, it seems kinda pointless, and I don't see our existance as pointless. There has to be some greater purpose than to breed more breeding machines.

[Ragnarok]

Nothing's wrong with being gay! And I don't know why many people are homophobic or, homoronic, when it's natural! Like what mandude said: People don't choose their sexual orientation.

I mean, they are still people like us; they're not some kind of virus that can inject themselves to you. Hm... I suppose that being homophobic also comes from our religious leaders, the Church, and stuff like that. But, when I read in my Christian Living book about Homo-sexuality, the book states that "we shouldn't condemn people with homo-sexual orientation for we do not become good followers of Christ if we ourselves are not loving and caring Christians." Now that's gospel truth.

But, anyway, if you're homophobic, then that's something I can't really change. So, go on believing that homo-sexuality is wrong.

[tf_arl_90]

All anyone has to do is have some respect.

[buthy-13]

like gay people could respect when their in public

i don't think their born like this i think they are up for the fun and joy not that their born like a girl from inside and trapped on a boy's body
just thinking of it is stupid if you a girl then your in a girls body if you a boy then your in a boys body....nothing makes sense in this topic i don't really hate gay people i just don't believe that they are born like that *full stop*

[tf_arl_90]

like gay people could respect when their in public

Huh?

[isabellacantino]

it's not homophobic it's homoronic ...i think it's not right just...NOOOT RIGHT!!

to act gay ....make your self like a different sex is just ewww

yes you are hoMORONIC...if you dont have an explaination that shows how gays are bad people and shouldnt exist you obviously dont really think things thru


I just dont like them images/smilies/smile.gif.

WTF?! that really makes a strong argument, better rethink your morals if your opinion on something is "I just dont like them".

and everyone else who thinks its wrong: fetishes, they exist, like foot fetishes, like nose fetishes, there are SOO many fetishes and you probly have one too. nobody puts a law against those things cause they dont harm anyone. gay people dont harm anyone, and they technically have fetishes for someone of the same sex. its better than a fetish for 10 year olds eh?

oh and here are some convincing facts about sexuality

plus, havent you noticed that people have been becoming more open about their sexuality earlier in life? its cause the old ways are changing, 20 years ago there would be alot more people thinking its wrong. my stepdad gets grossed out by gay stuff even though hes not against him cause he was taught that it was disgusting.

people are born with their sexuality(unless they are severely molested by someone of the same sex which changes things)

BIG POINT:

have you read about the baby who got a sex change from a boy into a girl because of a botched circumsicion? a doctor theorized that sexuality ands sexual identity starts becoming concrete at 3 or 4. this kid always liked boy things and never got along with girls. she/he was practically forced into being a straight girl but once she/he found out she/he got a sex change back to a boy right away. he got married but killed himself later because of traumas endured by the doctor. point is; people are born one way and usually stay that way unless pushed into something otherwise.

some people are born straight but turn gay from being molested.

and its genetic too, 2 identical twins both ended up being gay later in life.

AND PLUS have you read abou the Otzi caveman? there were traces of semen in his ass. ITS NOT LIKE ITS A NEW THING
so theres the evidence that it occures naturally, theres probly more but I havent delved into it that deeply

[mandude]

like gay people could respect when their in public

i don't think their born like this i think they are up for the fun and joy not that their born like a girl from inside and trapped on a boy's body
just thinking of it is stupid if you a girl then your in a girls body if you a boy then your in a boys body....nothing makes sense in this topic i don't really hate gay people i just don't believe that they are born like that *full stop*You only know of those gays because you don't notice it on everyone. There are other gays that act normal, you just DON'T NOTICE! Not all gays act like girls.

And I know many straight people who act the way you are describing.

[crashnburn2722]

personally, i think theres nothing at all wrong with it. i have 2 gay male friends, one bisexual male friend, and one bisexual female friend who i love like a little sister

[MOODYGIRL]

Not sure if this was the right forum but, here is my question. Why do straight people hate us (gays and lesbians) so much? I mean WTF did we do you ya'll not say all straights hates us but. Maybe 90% do I mean every time we go out all we get is dirty looks.

[Aries]

I'm straight and I don't hate them! I believe everyone has the right to love and be free. Their not harming anyone and anyone that do hate gays and lesbians are just silly and stupid. I know alot of gays and my cousin is a lesbian and they are all the nicest people I have ever met.

[MOODYGIRL]

Aries we are untill you piss us off.

First, to the people who think being gay is wrong, sick and its against natureI hope you drop dead in your sleep. How the fuck is it wrong MAN wrote the bible you were not here when god did. So how the hell you know if being gay is wrong if it's so fucking wrong. Why the fuck would god let you be born. And don't tell me you can't be born that way. I liked girls from the time that i was 4 to 5 years old. Can't be born oh shut the fuck up. It's called a chemical imbalance you dumb fuck. I think you str8s are sick then any one. Think you life style is so right. Ya'll are the freaks every time i see ya'll dumbs ass post in theses types of forum makes me want to go out and kill every stright person out there. Are just as dumb as LA Fems think every tomboy wants to be a man.

NATAL!E Thanks you I like you post. I wish theses dumb as straight were gay for a day. And then they will see how dumb they sound. And the retards can see it's not a choice. I am sorry for my out burst but I just hate dumb and ignorant people. Ya'll need to at ya'll know it all want to be's some and read a damn book.

[shotbyajackgun]

Fuck Discrimination. It comes with the system.

[Aries]

Aries we are untill you piss us off.

First, to the people who think being gay is wrong, sick and its against natureI hope you drop dead in your sleep. How the fuck is it wrong MAN wrote the bible you were not here when god did. So how the hell you know if being gay is wrong if it's so fucking wrong. Why the fuck would god let you be born. And don't tell me you can't be born that way. I liked girls from the time that i was 4 to 5 years old. Can't be born oh shut the fuck up. It's called a chemical imbalance you dumb fuck. I think you str8s are sick then any one. Think you life style is so right. Ya'll are the freaks every time i see ya'll dumbs ass post in theses types of forum makes me want to go out and kill every stright person out there. Are just as dumb as LA Fems think every tomboy wants to be a man.

NATAL!E Thanks you I like you post. I wish theses dumb as straight were gay for a day. And then they will see how dumb they sound. And the retards can see it's not a choice. I am sorry for my out burst but I just hate dumb and ignorant people. Ya'll need to at ya'll know it all want to be's some and read a damn book.

I can understand why you are angry and understand everything you are saying (even though I'm straight), alot of people do think it's a choice but it's not at all. It's like telling a straight person to be gay...you just can't do it. It's great that your speaking out. It's time more people accept it and stop being so closed minded.

[kristina_39]

i dont have a problem with gay people. do i believe in what they are doing NO. To me.. if god wanted us to be with the same sex, he would have made us all the same sex. Meaning no difference between man and women.... if your godly.. being gay is a sin.. thats why he make man and woman.. duh.. to reproduce... but thats there deal. if they want to be gay then let them thats their choice.. not mine.. most of them tend to be funny.

[tf_arl_90]

i dont have a problem with gay people. do i believe in what they are doing NO. To me.. if god wanted us to be with the same sex, he would have made us all the same sex. Meaning no difference between man and women.... if your godly.. being gay is a sin.. thats why he make man and woman.. duh.. to reproduce... but thats there deal. if they want to be gay then let them thats their choice.. not mine.. most of them tend to be funny.

But God did make them. So who are you to judge if God made them this way?

"Being gay" is a sin? All humans sin. Don't try to deny it. Why is this sin worse than any of the others?

[stardust]

I don't have a problem with gay people!

[Rashella]

I have no issue with homosexuality. Im neutral on the subject, everyone has a right to be happy with anyone they love, be it man or woman, Im not bothered. Who am i to judge?

But everyone has a right to an opinion.

[Jimbob]

I don't mind or have a problem with gay people, however, and I suspect some people may object to this, I don't enjoy people trying to force a certain view on me, or homosexuality being shoved down my throat (in a non literal way before anyone starts).

I think some make the fact they are gay a really big deal, when it doesn't have to be. People who are seriously camp sometimes get on my nerves, not because they are gay, but just because some people seem to have this attitude that just says "Look at me, I'm gay" and it almost comes accross as attention seeking.

[pacer*kar]

when u guys say its unnatural...well i think that U guys are unnatural,,ppl are supposed to be excepting and well i think its alright if sumone is gay,,thats like saying wearing clothes is unnatural because clothes are made of chemicals and stuff but i think u guys have a problem with thinking and im straight but i have friends who are gay and i think u should learn to accept because being gay does not change the person inside and everything so i think that u ppl should except it, and what do ppl find so hott about bebot..i looked at her picture and...well in america ppl are different so that my opinion!

[MyGatGoesBang]

when u guys say its unnatural...well i think that U guys are unnatural,,ppl are supposed to be excepting and well i think its alright if sumone is gay According to nature, or society?

[Blackspynx]

I've thought long and hard about this, and personally I'm rather uncomfortable around homesexuals, mainly because they are often so open about it. In other ways it pisses me off that many who proclaim themselves gay are simply begging for attention. Finally, when they start shoving the "not our choice" bullshit in my face.

Though I believe homosexuality can be partially inherited, I have looked at studies myself and none of them can prove that it is 100% inherited, in fact it couldn't be proven at all with girls (I will put the disclaimer that even more than one study cannot be trusted, if anyone has credible evidence to the contrary I encourage them to give it).

At some point or another I believe the person has a choice, at least if environmental circumstances allow, but I firmly believe that God does not present any trial we cannot overcome. Life is hard alone, but it can be harder in social settings when you want the acceptance of your peers.

In the end, everyone should have their options. If you want to go for the same sex, then by all means, go for it. Just keep the details out of my hearing and grant me permission to slap you if you start coming onto me.

[Nintendus]

You have a comforn signature and you are obvioulsy a believer in God. It is clear from that you would not like homosexuality.



I've thought long and hard about this, and personally I'm rather uncomfortable around homesexuals, mainly because they are often so open about
And you are not open about being straight? I would be no more annoyed by a gay couple kissing in public than a straight couple kissing in public. I find many more straight people to be more exhibitionist in that area than gay people.


I've thought long and hard about this, and personally I'm rather uncomfortable around homesexuals, mainly because they are often so open about it. In other ways it pisses me off that many who proclaim themselves gay are simply begging for attention.

That does happen in some cases yes. Of course it does. That doesn't mean that all gay people are like that. All it shows is how acceptable it is in modern day society.


Finally, when they start shoving the "not our choice" bullshit in my face.

Though I believe homosexuality can be partially inherited, I have looked at studies myself and none of them can prove that it is 100% inherited, in fact it couldn't be proven at all with girls (I will put the disclaimer that even more than one study cannot be trusted, if anyone has credible evidence to the contrary I encourage them to give it).

Just because it is not their "choice" does not mean it was inherited. Here's an analogy for you; I listen to power metal, you could say I chose to if you want, but I never consiecsly made the decision. I just grew up with a preferance for the music, created by society (my elder brother) and taste. I have a gay friend and it took him years to come to terms with the fact that he was gay. Even after that he would not admit it for even longer. If he had a choice then, would he not have chosen to be straight?



At some point or another I believe the person has a choice, at least if environmental circumstances allow, but I firmly believe that God does not present any trial we cannot overcome.

I am a strict atheist. However, whoever said they need to overcome it? There is evidence both supporting and contradicting homosexuality in the bible. So there is really no clear source on wehther it is right or wrong. You have made that decision yourself, therefore it is not clear it is God who wants you to overcome it.



In the end, everyone should have their options. If you want to go for the same sex, then by all means, go for it. Just keep the details out of my hearing and grant me permission to slap you if you start coming onto me.
A gay person has never once come onto me ever. It just doesn't really happen like that. All the one's I have known through my life realise that you are not gay and stay their distance.

[Blackspynx]

Oh, how I love post-pickers.


You have a comforn signature and you are obvioulsy a believer in God. It is clear from that you would not like homosexuality.
For the record, my banner is a joke.



I am a strict atheist. However, whoever said they need to overcome it? There is evidence both supporting and contradicting homosexuality in the bible. So there is really no clear source on wehther it is right or wrong. You have made that decision yourself, therefore it is not clear it is God who wants you to overcome it.

As you say, you're an athiest, and I respect that. I also realize that any replies I could make, pertaining to the beliefs of my religion, would be shot down. However, I have seen no evidence in the scriptures that would deem homosexuality as righteous.

[Pearson]

Religious people are stupid.

[Nintendus]

Oh, how I love post-pickers.


For the record, my banner is a joke.


As you say, you're an athiest, and I respect that. I also realize that any replies I could make, pertaining to the beliefs of my religion, would be shot down. However, I have seen no evidence in the scriptures that would deem homosexuality as righteous.
Whoever defined rigtheous?

I cannot tell whether you are opposed to it because of your religion or what you believe yourself. Quite honestly I would have less respect for you if it was the first.

The bible contradicts itself at every point. Genesis supports the idea of being a vegetarian. They are given the plants to eat, not the animals. It never once mentions the animals being there for them to eat. I don't see all Christians as vegetarians. Another contradiction is right at the beggining. God created everything. Yet I seem to remember there being a formless void there. No idea what a formless void is myself, but that suggests that there was something there beforehand.

As an analogy: The Churche's view on women was that they were steretypically less important than the males. Derived from such things as being created From Adam. Which is completely wrong, as the original Hebrew actually says that it was an adrognous person (no gender), and that it was formed into two.

You see what I mean, the bible contraditcs itself all the time. You seem to be able to draw the point that homosexuality is wrong out of it, yet the Dutch reform church interpreted it to show that black people were lesser. How is what you are doing any worse?

I'm not going to convert you. However I think you should take a long look about what your religion is based on, and what it's real values are. I think you will find that there avery very few un-open to analysis.

[josh101]

the way i look at this is that if gayness is unnatural surly sst8 is unnatural...who has made this decision tht it is un natual???? where are you getting this from?? just people who hav high opinions of them self i think!!!!

[Innamorata]

For once I agree with you. However, I try to be accepting of people's beliefs.


Religious people are stupid.

[KiKiDee]

To be fair, if you looked at me, most people wouldnt think im bisexual. i dont think it matters if people are gay or not as long as that couple is happy! fair enough i understand points about people "shoving" their gayness in your face, yes in can be too much. I have a friend who is with a girl, and they didnt tell anyone for 6 months (apart from their close close friends). no-one knew any different and still spoke to them as civilised people. Then on my birthday sunday night, some people from work were doing the whole tongue thing, as i was appauled by peoples reactions. it was disgusting. they refuse to go back to that club because they do not wish to be harassed by these certain people!
My view is, as long as the couple is happy and in love, then i am happy for them! And in my experience, girls dont mess u around as much as boys do!! (no offence guys!)

[rissa28]

i dont think homosexuality is wrong. maybe because i am a lesbain. i read what most ppl wrote and saying its unnatural and wrong is only ur opinion. i can tell that most of you just dont understand...

[Kerry]

I have no problem with Gay or Lesbian people there still humans with feelings and people should accept that. I'm straight myself and religious but I know a few ''gay'' people and there just like anyone else and they shouldn't be picked on just because of who they like.

[Sea Bisquick]

I think that its just that people don't like if something is different then what they agree with.

[DJraver_Frost]

...i'm a lesbian and some people hate me for it

[Gardens]

Wow..... I'm bisexual....I really CANT have a problem with it....if it's against nature and god, then how come same sex relationships exist? I practice spirituality, and we believe that all living things are connected to each other and god, and when you look down upon an individual, you are looking down upon god. I think if a person wants love in their life, then why should it matter whether it comes from a male or female? But thats just my opinion.

[buthy-13]

Atheists and Muslims? Eh, well, Muslims at least are decent fellows save for the extremists. But Atheism is rather...well...idiotic I'm sorry. :\ You want to me to get out of the religious air? Fine, for you atheists let me explain. Atheists believe in general there is no divine sentient wisdom, correct? Well, the mystery of life then to you would be reproduction to keep the population advancing to eventually become a greater civilization and ecosystem. This requires the correct genetical partners. Male and female. Not female and female. Not male and male. It leads to the eventual downfall of the structure and death of the species. Because thats all we are here for, without the sense of a greater wisdom, to do nothing more then fuck. Over and over again and pump out as many units as possible. So, gays, unable to have their own normally genetically produced units are unwanted and unnessisary in the ecosystem. And if you're going to argue that isn't why we are here because we're more sentient, stop and realize you're being hypocritical. We have nothing more to do, without a great beyond, to reproduce and die. And if you don't believe me, here, I'll go furthur to explain. The Universe itself is believed to be spanning for almost forever, making our tiny little speck of a planet nothing special, and especially yourself. You're nothing, you're just a microorganism in the cosmic build. You'll never amount to anything. At all. And due to recent discoveries of the furthured dimensional limits, coming to a total of 11 -- (A single time-based dimension and ten dimensions like our three dimensional world all moving with more numerous motions ) -- this number, combined with a theory known as String Theory creates a new theory known as M Theory, which helped solve the great [?] of the Big Bang Theory (Personally which I find to generic to be real. Call me a believer, but hey, listen, the Big Bang had to happen outside reality without any physics. You call me ridiculous about a God? HAHAHAH! Same shit mother fucker, same mine happened in seven days.) which then they've been applying. The String Theory encompensates every component of our Universe in it's code. But with it we discovered with the eleventh dimension the string theory became in fact a membrane, M Theory. This led to the realization and mathematical reality that there is an infinite number of parralel universes called the multiverse and that we are nothing more but floating through a small bubble in a sea. Parallel universes where anything that can happen, is happening. Millions with different sets of ruling physics, and endless combinations of events and things and creatures and living beings and so forth. Some made of sheer electronic power, others made of nothing more then radiation in various forms. And when two of these membranes collided we had the Big Bang, says the theory, and so the universe came into about. Now know what they're trying to do? lol...Create miniature Universe inside our own. Something entirely possible, they claim. I cannae wait for it to backfire and destroy this miserable little rotting blue ball and for finally God to reveal himself.

And if it works...realize something...We're most likely nothing more then some stupid fucking kid's science project. (God, maybe? HMM? HUMHOHUM? GOD KEEPS GETTING PROVEN! HAHAHA! XD) But lets hope not, and lets hope you realize how insignificant you our without God and how this whole topic is in a grand veiw, and how trivial it is still on the average interpretation.


- ,,|,, ('.'<) "It's really bad when Kirbie decides to flip you off."

very hot point over there

[DJraver_Frost]

I don't know..but I face it often..I got beat up one time with a baseball bat and i'm a girl..so..um..I don't know.Fear of what homophobes don't understand I guess.

[fraggled]

I don't know..but I face it often..I got beat up one time with a baseball bat and i'm a girl..so..um..I don't know.Fear of what homophobes don't understand I guess.

It's hard to understand and explain, its mostly how people are raised and where they live that shapes their reaction towards Homos'. Most of the time its their lack of being around "them" and lack of understanding.

[musicbutterfly]

I'm ok with gay people and i don't hate them but it feels weird at first.

[moons_whisper]

I don't understand people...they haven't walked a mile in your shoes and don't know anything about you and yet they still jump to the conclusion that all gays are losers and they pretty much need to go to hell.Well it's those people who need to jump in the porthole that leads to hell.

-thats just my opinion.

[Deimos]

The Bible.

The Law of Moses said, "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; c.f 20:13).

"Because of this [the suppression of truth resulting in idolatry] God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27, NIV).

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God (I Corinthians 6:9-10, NET).

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On Nature.

The body was made to function a specific way. Men were not made to function sexually with men, nor women with women, but rather men were made to function sexually with women. While a man's penis can be made to fit into several human orifices, it is clear as to which orifice it is intended to be used with when we consider the substance emitted by the penis upon orgasm: semen. Semen has only one purpose: to create new life. This purpose can only be fulfilled when it is mixed with a female egg, and such a meeting can only occur while the penis is inside a vagina. A male penis is designed to function with a woman, period. That is natural. Homosexuality is unnatural because it abandons the natural function of the human body. Even homosexual activists are honest about the fact that homosexuality is not natural, or normal.

What makes a certain act "natural" has everything to do with whether it in fact involves using a capacity in a way consistent with its natural function or purpose, and nothing necessarily to do with whether or not someone has, for whatever reason, a strong desire to use it that way or some other way. It follows that whether or not someone has, for example, a genetic predisposition to want to engage in homosexual acts is, from the point of view of traditional natural law theory, completely irrelevant to whether such a desire is "natural" in the sense in question, and thus completely irrelevant to the issue of whether such acts are moral or immoral.

We determine one's sex by looking at their parts. If one's parts are designed to function one way, and yet their sexual desires are directed in another way it seems reasonable to believe that something is awry. When one's desires do not match the hardware afforded them by nature the problem is not with the hardware, but with the desires. When something is created for a specific purpose and yet an individual is psychologically incapable of using it for its intended purpose, shouldn't this clue us into the fact that something is wrong? This observation alone ought to clue us in to the fact that homosexuality is not natural, nor is it "normal." Homosexuality is a perversion of the body's natural function.


The Argument from Evolution
The theory of evolution argues against homosexuality as well. In a world where only the fit survive to pass their genotypes on to the next generation, homosexuals are doomed to rapid extinction. Because homosexuals cannot produce offspring they cannot continue in the fight for survival, and thus are inferior to the "species" of heterosexuals. There is no denying that the homosexual lifestyle contradicts the natural order of things (even from an evolutionary perspective in which there is no design in the universe, the natural use of our sex organs is still witnessed by examining the reason for which nature favored them: procreation.), and is not conducive to the process of natural selection of their kind. The belief in evolution is inconsistent with a belief in the equality of homosexuality to heterosexuality.

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On Health




I am persuaded that we should be disapproving of homosexual behavior for health reasons as well. Simply put, homosexual activity produces a health risk to society. As a society we have the duty to campaign against behaviors that destroy individual lives and the lives of others. The Gay Report (homosexual researchers) surveyed the sexual habits of homosexuals and
discovered that 99% had engaged in oral sex; 91% had engaged in anal intercourse; 83% engaged in rimming (mouth to anus contact); 22% had fisted their sex partners; 23% admitted to golden showers (urinating on a sex partner); 76% admitted to group or public sex; 4% admitted ingesting feces. These behaviors are breeding grounds for a whole variety of serious intestinal parasites, viruses, and bacteria known collectively as 'Gay Bowel Syndrome.' In addition to these intestinal diseases, homosexual males are also at high risk for anal cancer. Dr. Stephen E. Goldstone, the medical director of Gay Health.com says that 68% of HIV-positive and 45% of HIV-negative homosexual men have abnormal or precancerous anal cells.

[sarahgirl_88]

Ok, In my opinion as a Bisexual girl, I do believe in god and religion. but love is love we all have our preferences. feelings are feelings.. <333
i have a girlfriend and she is great. we started off as friends. and wats funny we were dating guys wen we met.. and now.. we are dating eachother. it has nothing to do with sex or anything. its feelings and love and how you feel about people. her family doesnt approve as far as her mom, dad, and older brother, but her 2 sisters are fine with it as far as love is love. dont judget people if u dont kno wats up. u kno?

[Paideia]

I support pro-choice (people have a right to decide their paths in life) for almost every issue........................................But I live near San Francisco (notorious for this issue ;p) and during the Pride Parade there are scenes of hardcore guy-on-guy sex in the streets...and like with straight people you can see casual affection in public but I don't believe that they should parade images like that in front of youngsters. Other than that, they are cool people in general.

[Fez]

i dont care. they just better not do it on public!

[Paideia]

Homosexuality is actually emerging to be quite natural. It might be the result of a genetic disposition to be attracted to members of the same sex. (however studies so far have only proven that there are differences between a hetero man and a homosexual man; lesbianism can't quite be explained yet). In a homosexual man's brain, the size of the INAH-3 is smaller than that of a hetero man's brain.



I don't beieve we were put here to breed. If you look at it as a whole, it seems kinda pointless, and I don't see our existance as pointless.
Oh really, sexual reproduction is pointless? The primary point of life is to survive and reproduce offspring, so that they will reproduce to sustain this world and keep the evolutionary cycle in motion. If you really think about it, there are a lot of aspects to life out there that are related to, to put in laymen's terms, finding, attracting and breeding with a mate. (clothes, personality, image, media).

I mean just look at "competition" between the human species for example. Two women are going after the same man. The one with a more seductive personality and alluring looks wins him and thus they marry and have kids. Natural selection- the "good" traits- pass down to the next generation while the other woman is left striving to find someone. Two men are going after the same job. The one better qualified gets it and thus helps his family to survive- survival of the fittest and the dominant.

[Paideia]

But if their brains function in a different manner, if their organs are notably dissimilar from others- something they couldn't control- how could they be the ones to blame? God couldn't have "messed up" if He made the body perfect.



We determine one's sex by looking at their parts. If one's parts are designed to function one way, and yet their sexual desires are directed in another way it seems reasonable to believe that something is awry. When one's desires do not match the hardware afforded them by nature the problem is not with the hardware, but with the desires. When something is created for a specific purpose and yet an individual is psychologically incapable of using it for its intended purpose, shouldn't this clue us into the fact that something is wrong? This observation alone ought to clue us in to the fact that homosexuality is not natural, nor is it "normal." Homosexuality is a perversion of the body's natural function.

[sarahgirl_88]

I support pro-choice (people have a right to decide their paths in life) for almost every issue........................................But I live near San Francisco (notorious for this issue ;p) and during the Pride Parade there are scenes of hardcore guy-on-guy sex in the streets...and like with straight people you can see casual affection in public but I don't believe that they should parade images like that in front of youngsters. Other than that, they are cool people in general.


i agree. its not sumthin that should be displayed in the streets .. not even straight people should do that.. its disrespectful 2 urself n others as well..

[Deimos]

But if their brains function in a different manner, if their organs are notably dissimilar from others- something they couldn't control- how could they be the ones to blame? God couldn't have "messed up" if He made the body perfect.

That argument has nothing to do with God.

[Paideia]

Regardless, homosexuality is inborn and natural, even though people may not find it "normal" - which is a term that needs some re-evaluation.

And they've found evidence that the 'gay gene' will live on- contrary to the popular opinion that homosexuals will eventually become extinct due to natural selection and evolution. Apparently, the straight relatives (who inherit the same genetic code) of homosexuals are rather fertile compared to families lacking this gene.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519


That argument has nothing to do with God.

[Deimos]

Regardless, homosexuality is inborn and natural, even though people may not find it "normal" - which is a term that needs some re-evaluation.

And they've found evidence that the 'gay gene' will live on- contrary to the popular opinion that homosexuals will eventually become extinct due to natural selection and evolution. Apparently, the straight relatives (who inherit the same genetic code) of homosexuals are rather fertile compared to families lacking this gene.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519

Inborn and natural to a group of unnatural people.

Also,

[qoute]But Camperio-Ciani calculates the contribution of this effect to male homosexuality at 7% at most. So together, he says, the “maternal” and “immune” effects only account for 21% of male homosexuality, leaving 79% of the causation still a mystery.[/quote]

So it's not entirely explaining 100% of the homosexual community.

But meh, so it's a genetic defect, now they need to cure it ^^

[Paideia]

well you're entitled to your opinion but frankly homosexuality isn't even really an issue at all, nor same-sex marriage laws...

People should just mind their business and money & time should be allocated elsewhere, such as on real incurable diseases.




But meh, so it's a genetic defect, now they need to cure it ^^

[Kate]

The Bible.

ffs.
*looks around frantically*
Somebody please kill the christian!

I have no issue with homosexuals whatsoever.
And i dislike people who do.

[ZooYork5022]

i dont care. they just better not do it on public!

exactly

[Innamorata]

Rep!


ffs.
*looks around frantically*
Somebody please kill the christian!

I have no issue with homosexuals whatsoever.
And i dislike people who do.

[Kate]

Rep!

;)

[Nirvana_rox]

You know what I dont understand? People think lesbianism is wrong. I'm str8 myself but I've always thought that if you love somebody it shouldn't matter who you go out with as long as you love them. Two of my friends are lesbians and I'm cool with that. But people in school say..."eewwww that disgusting" its like, why is it digusting?
Feel free to express your opinion. I understand why you'd be against it if you were religious but still free to add your opinion. xx

Yeah man it sucks what's the point of moaning about something you can't change?
i have no problem with peoples sexuality, most my friends either bi like me, gay or lesbian in fact.