The matter of life...

[Boy_Wonder06]

is it me or do people really get on your nerves when they go all suicidal and claim that life is all so bad. I mean at the end of the day they should all be happy they still have a life, and that they were born into such a fascinating world with so many opportunities.

Ok i know what im sayin may seem very harsh but if you look at it from my point of view its purely factual. I mean look how many people have died in the 9/11 bombings and the London terrorist attacks. I know that we all face problems in life some that are so bad people will concider an alterative way out of life to end all misery, but there are always people to help.

This world could be so much better if we all calmed down a little and don't let are emotions get the btter of us, i feel so silly saying this cuz i let my emotions rule my life. I just wanna know what you all think?

Ps if anyone feels my post was out of order in any shape or form please private message me, and if anyone wants any help or advice i am here to help even though the above post would make you think otherwise

[~Wayne~]

I know what you mean when people complain about little things, claiming it isnt worth living anymore because something little happens. Suicide is simply an easy way out for people who don't try hard enough in life

[t-junction]

Heh, suicide is a perfectly valid method of escaping life's upheavals and I am sure some people who have killed themselves have had genuine reason to do so. Let us not rob those unfortunate people of their last dignity by calling them cowards. You may think it is an easy way out, but could you kill yourself? I have thought about it, I'm sure everyone has at some point; not neccessarily in a 'I want to do it' fashion. But could you really plunge the barrel in your mouth and shoot? Step into the air and fall to oblivion? Cut through your veins? I know I couldn't. Not because I dont want to (in actual fact I dont, but I am veiwing this as being outside the point) but because of the consequences to my friends and family, the pain, and the ambiguity of the after life (for instance, if god does exist, general religious consensus is that suidicide is not going to impress him).

As for what life is and what it means, well, its entirely objective. Its completely different from one person to the next. For me, I have no definite answers. I accept, now, that I probably cant and never will know the answers to big questions like these. It doesnt bother me, it justs gives me something to mull over.

[ReAnImAtEd]

perfectly put t-junction

[Boy_Wonder06]

t-junction ur argument is fairly strong i will give you that, but lookin at it from another point of view, suicide may relieve one person of problems but then they get piled onto someone else, ie their parents or friends and family, surely that isn't fair. Its just makes everyone else's life a misery and doesn't really solve anything. Ok it may take a lot of guts to kill yourself, but it takes even more to stand up tall and fight your corner! There are more than enough people out there to help, and a lot of people chose not to get help, even though they should.

[ReAnImAtEd]

sometimes u have to do what you feel is right for yourself...a majority of persons with suicidal tendonsies suffer from depression...which is an illness..u cant blame a person without understanding how they feel and how the illness effects them often it makes people isolate themselves its not their fault.

[Boy_Wonder06]

i would never blame the individual, but i would kinda blame those around that person, for not helping or recognising the signs. i agree there are many ways to look at this kind of problem, but if they seek the help they requiere then it would all get sorted, i know they isolate themselves, ive been there dont that and got the flammin scars to prove it, but i mean, people get worked up and drum it into there heads that there is no one out there to help which is c**p, ive done it too but i luckily had friends that came and saved me.

[ReAnImAtEd]

i went through it too...and no1 noticed and i didnt want to tell anyone either...its not always that simple to jus get through it.

[Boy_Wonder06]

i megaly disagree it only gets hard when the person makes it hard, i mean they can make it so easy by saying to themselves that they need to get help... but 9/10 they won't and they will let themselves slowly die out.

[ReAnImAtEd]

its possible to get to deep before you realise...plus what if your in a situation where people are unlikely to understand and empathise

[Boy_Wonder06]

i suppose what your saying does make sense, but i still think that there are wayes to deal with things, and some people just go OTT, and allow little things to send them suicidal (attention seeking if u ask me), oki if the person has a genuine problem then i would understand but sum people are like OMG my boyfriend has just dumped me and they've been going out for like 3 days .... does anyone else have any views on this topic?

[ReAnImAtEd]

indeed people often attention seek.. and show-off scars etc...i have no sympathy for them

[Boy_Wonder06]

nor me, those are the type of people that i really think should get a life

[pakstar]

life is what love is, without passion its as emty as a starless sky, so i think that when people become discusted at the fact theyre alive, they should indeed just throw themselves off a cliff.

[t-junction]

<i>and allow little things to send them suicidal</i>

Have you ever heard of bi-polar disorder? It can make people do exactly that.
Besides, dealing with depression and what not is extremely difficult for some people. I dont know if I suffer from it, or if I am fail at life. My mood swings widly even within days, and sometimes I'll go for a week just feeling utter crap for no reason at all. But not everyone empathises that well. It's ok for you to say 'Oh your friends will be there' and such and such, but the fact is they aren't always. Unless all your friends have hearts of gold, they will eventually get extremely annoyed with your moodiness, and sulkiness, and generally pushing everyone away. Its not all heart. The only people who will always be there are doctors because they get paid to deal with people like us. And I dont want to thrust my non existant, self inflicted problems on to my mates, so I just shut the hell up and sit in a corner looking out of the window. You say that 'its not fair on your family' to kill yourself, but is it fair to live life wishing every day was your last, hoping that some glimmer of hope would slice through all the melancholy and empitness? I dont think it is.

[Stephanie]

indeed people often attention seek.. and show-off scars etc...i have no sympathy for them

I think that the people that self harm for attention need the most help. They are the ones that are feeling unloved or un-noticed.

My cousin is one of these people. She is the oldest of 4 children and so her parents focus more on her younger siblings then they do on her. She yerns for her parents attention and she has tried just about everything to gain it..doing well at school, bad at school, being wellbehaved, misbehaved, but it never seems to work.

So she has gone anorexic and started cutting her legs and arms and has been wearing shorts and t-shirts at every opportunity to show off what she has done to herself..and it is only now that she has recieved the attention she has been so badly aching for, for all these years. And even then, it isn't the attention she wants or deserves. Now all they do is dump her with a psychologist twice a week. Only God knows what she will do next as an attempt to get her parents attention.

I have sympathy for her.

[ReAnImAtEd]

I think that the people that self harm for attention need the most help. They are the ones that are feeling unloved or un-noticed.

My cousin is one of these people. She is the oldest of 4 children and so her parents focus more on her younger siblings then they do on her. She yerns for her parents attention and she has tried just about everything to gain it..doing well at school, bad at school, being wellbehaved, misbehaved, but it never seems to work.

So she has gone anorexic and started cutting her legs and arms and has been wearing shorts and t-shirts at every opportunity to show off what she has done to herself..and it is only now that she has recieved the attention she has been so badly aching for, for all these years. And even then, it isn't the attention she wants or deserves. Now all they do is dump her with a psychologist twice a week. Only God knows what she will do next as an attempt to get her parents attention.

I have sympathy for her.

however people who do it for attention have grown a stereotype for self-harmers...leading the majority of people to think that if you cut yourself then you want attention! this is not the case and people who need help dont get it because of this... stephanie i think ur cousin self harms because of neglection not just for attention...my comment was aimed at those who self-harm as some sort of 'fashion statement' to attract attention which they niether need or deserve.

[Artemis]

I think that all of this is very interesting however I would like to mention that anyone struggling with depression is usually tired with life. Is there anything we can do to change that feeling. We, as in the people in this forum, cannot console or befriend those who need it because we cannot be there everywhere for everyone.

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[Artemis]

OOps
((ended my reply by accident)))

Anyway, I agree w/ above that the people at fault are those who do nothing and do not take notice of thier friend's,neighbor'setc. attitude--- yet can anyone really blame them too?

None can judge whether a person really didn't notice depressive signals. And those "attention wanters" >... can anyone really tell whether or not they are showing off for themselves?

The whole "blame" attitude or "right and wrong stance" goes in circles and really depends on certain circumstances with certain people.

[Lindsay]

its easy to sit there and say "suicidal people are annoying because they don't try hard enough" but imagine how shitty you have to feel in order to kill yourself. Honestly, if you haven't been in a situation like that i don't think its fair to judge.

there are always going to be the people that are like "ooh, everyone who self harms/is suicidal is looking for attention" blah blah blah. No, thats not true. There's clinical and chemical depression. Clinical depression is when an event in your life has caused you to be depressed, and chemical depression is when there is an imbalance in your brain and in both cases people can't help it. I'm not talking about the "self diagnosed" depression where people say "shit, i'm feeling sad. must be depression"
i'm talking about going to a therapist and a phycologist who evaluate you and then, if they feel the need to, give you medication.

There are also other medical conditions such as anxiety disorders, bi-polar, personality and mood disorders and many others that cause people to get severly depressed and suicide seems like the only way to get out of it. Sure, its selfish and maybe it is the easy way out, but whether you'd like to admit to it or not, it takes guts to kill yourself, so calling someone a coward is really out of line.