Bring back capital punishment

[Luke]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

Bastards.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Hang the bastards.

[God.]

You made me read the sun :O

Oh dear.

They should live out the rest of their lives in solitary confinement.

[Luke]

No, they should die.

[God.]

They will, eventually.
But dying now is too easy.

[Pearson]

I agree with forest, there should be no place for these thugs in our society, Plain and simple. They are scum.

[Luke]

They will, eventually.
But dying now is too easy.

Not if it's a slow and painful one.

[gprime]

There is a problem with your what you want fcuk4forest. If the UK did bring back the death penalty, no doubt they'd modernize the method of execution, and use lethal injection. And really, don't you think a fucking needle in the arm is better 50 years of assraping, malnourishment, and violence in prison? So that would be the easy way out. The only way we could justify bringing back the death penalty is if done in a truely prolonged and pain-inspiring manner, such a torture, followed by crusifixion.

[Luke]

Hang the bastard I say.

[God.]

Quick and almost painless.

If their neck isn't broken, within 5 minutes their dead.

Very quick, too quick.

[Luke]

Ah well, at least we eliminate them from the world. More space in our prisons.

[NATAL!E]

I've said for ages capital punishment should be brought back. I think it's disgusting the shits on the streets can murder, and be walking free in no time at all for good behaviour.

Yeah, some people really do pay for what they've done, but a lot also don't. Not in my eyes anyway.

Look at the Jamie Bulger case for prime example. I think what them lads did was absolutely disgusting. I really do. And they were considering being let out, with name changes, because they were 'too young to know what they were doing'. Fuck that, they knew full well, yet they're let off for it in the eyes of the law, like so many other criminals.

Even in schools, punishments have no effect on student behaviour. In my school I think it's bloody disgraceful. A kid can behave like an imbocile, and be sent into a GCSE class, to sit with the head of the subject teacher, and disrupt that lesson as well. And nothing is done about how they acted in the first place. Then again, some students are just sent to isolation, where they just sit there for a few hours. At least when kids were hit with rulers, they behaved.

I'm sidetracking now, but ah. I think the death penalty should be brought back in the UK. America still has it, doesn't it? So why can't the UK have it too. I like the police over here are too soft. I mean, you see videos of American cops beating up people and putting the shits in their place. Murderers get the death penalty etc etc. Whilst over here, people get their wrists slapped for beating up a pensioner and murderers get let out in half the time on good behaviour.

We had a discussion in class a few weeks ago about bringing capital punishment back. Some of the chavs said, "What if people were killed and it was a miscarriage of justice?". Yeah, it's happened on the odd occasion, but with today's technology, they wouldn't be getting it wrong time and time again. And especially with cases like this of Daniel Pollen, and others like Jamie Bulger, there's CCTV, eye witness accounts and so much evidence. How could that be a false conviction?

So in my eyes, bring it back. It's the only way this country will really restore law and order. Most kids aren't scared of the police these days, so what are they going to be like when they grow up? The future generations will consist of hooligans and yobs dominating over the streets and attacking anyone and everyone when they feel like it.

Oh, and also. I don't see prison as torture at all really. Arse-rapings, malnutiriton and being locked inside isn't the same as real torture, where people are killed.

[lana loo]

i agree with you there huni, but there are more sides to the argument, for and against capital punishment. fair enough, if you have killed then its only fair that your life is taken, but what right has anyone got to take a life though? 'an eye for an eye' is a common sayin for this subject but if you take a life then arent you as bad as them?

also, another argument against captial punushment is religious. many religions say that God is the only one who has the right to take life. he gave the soul he takes the soul. they also beleive that Jesus said 'forgive someone 77 times' everyones entitled to a second chance to reform. and trust me it can be done. (soz a got a bit carried away with my R.E knowlegde lol)

i personally think that it shouldnt be brought back, there are different ways of punishing criminals than taking their life. death is the last-resort and their is no turning back on it.

yeah u mite want them to have a slow n painful death, but it'd all end in the same way. they'll feel no more pain yeah. after its all done, they wont regret fuck all, they'll be dead!! lol but ...... put them in solatry confindment for years on end, they're goin to suffer alot longer and regret the whole thing alot longer and acctually wana be dead. but you wont give them that privilage to die. see what i mean .....

[Lindsay]

wow i read that jamie bluger case and its so sad.
people are so f*cked up.
I think the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. Put the criminals in isolation for 20 years or something but they don't deserve the easy way out.

[lana loo]

exactly huni! i like the way you think!!

[gprime]

Fender chiq, as per your question, it is on a state by state basis. For more specific info, go here. For other US death penalty info click here. Also, see the following charts:








As per the beatings you referenced, which I agree are good, context is important. For example, the infamous Rodney King beating occured because he was going 3 times the speed limit in a residential zone, while high on crack and armed. Most people assume US police actually beat criminals regularly. Sadly, that is not the case, with that which you are referencing been the rare exception.

While I agree with you when you say "arse-rapings, malnutiriton and being locked inside isn't the same as real torture, where people are killed," it still involves more suffering than a quick execution. So if bring back the death penalty, you need to restore brutality with it. This is one instance where we could stand to learn from the Romans. I'd suggest we follow Muslim example on the matter too, though that would involve the executioner dying too.

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Now, as per some of lana loo's comments:

The equivocal arguement is bullshit and you know it. That's like saying killing Hitler would make you no better than him. And no rational person would buy that. Do you really think a painless death for a murderous pedophile makes you as bad as him? I should hope not.

Your question of who has the right to take a life is interesting. In theory, nobody has any rights, and the concept is an artificial one established to lay a foundation for organized civilization. But if a person does not recognize themselves as a part of said civilization, are they still bound by its laws? Logic says no, but practicality mandates otherwise. Thus, there is an artificial agreement established by the citizenry to abide by legal code which governms their society. As such, who has the right to murder is relative to the standards of a given society. For example, in Nazi Germany, any Aryan had the legal right to kill Jews. Looking retrospectively, did the laws of that society seem appropriate or fair? No. So then, the concept of "to each his own" applies somewhat. Since everbody has a different opinion, a definite answer to the question is impossible. For example, I would suggest that anybody, anywhere in the world has the right to kill any pure ethnic Croatian. Most people would disagree. But the concept is no less sound that the legal policies of many foreign governments. This then means that your abstract question is impossible to answer, and thus serves no point.

Your religious arguement is an utterly absurd one. Surely if this were Iran or Syria you would be correct. But in a Western democracy, surely the concept of freedom of religion must apply. As such, setting legal policy by the belief of any religion is inherently illegal.

Your ultimate conclusion is partially correct. If is true that regardless of how death is acheived the end is the same. However, I would disagree that jailtime is necissarily most effective. For example, two consecutive weeks of inhumane torture on Pay-Per-View followed by a public crucifixion would certainly be worse than 20+ years in jail. And the idea that they will suffer in jail is not a given. Those with the size advantage or the connections will not be raped and can easily be smuggled goods. And emotional anguish is unlikely given the difference in the chemical structure and balance of the brain of a serial killer when contrasted to that of a "normal" individual.

Given that, I agree with you to the extent that for now the death penalty has no place. If however we made it truely brutal, to the point where it was far worse than jail, then I would get right alongside fender chiq and call for it. Of course, if I did so, since I support tough legal penalties, I'd call for it to be implemented for lesser crimes such as theft or vandalism.

[JustRide10]

I say we leave them in prision for the rest of their lives alone. No other prisioners and slowly starve them to death. Starve them to a point were their about to die, but don't let them. Make them suffer, and during this pain give them terrible tourture. That may finally teach those dirty mother f***in thugs.

[magic_bugger]

Knife culture is at a sickening level now in the UK.

I say tie them up to a big bolder, and get their victims' friends and family to go upto the attackers and do what they like to him.

[Feign]

Addressing points sporadically:

i) Eye for an eye - in JB's case, does that mean those involved would too have to be beaten, have batteries shoved up their ass and left for dead only to later be severed in two by a train? If so, who would carry out such action on the states behalf?
ii) You all seem to have a huge misconception of prison life. Less HBO, please. You might want to refer to Zimbardo's 1971 Stanford Prison Experiment to see what effects it has on the Average Joe. Sadly, that's not the reality of it all. Prison, compared to street life, could almost be considered as desirable. Regardless of what you hear or see around and about, prison is simply an enclosed community. If you think people are denied of the liberties accessible in every day life, you're very much mistaken. Everyone has a price.
iii) Consider how much of the tax payers money is invested in the system. Every day, some of your hard earned money is providing a better life for some two bit piece of shit behind bars. And execution? It costs even more. Seven figures in most cases. In respect to economics, you can't take the moral highground and win.
iv) There's always the possibility of a wrong conviction. Watch 'The Life Of David Gayle'

However, you could let them starve to death. Its suffering at their own expense. They get to feel their body feed off of itself until there is no longer any muscle to support even the most trivial of movement. Then they just lay there, rotting away, until their last breath. Its a process that causes both physical and emotional torment. You know you're going to die, but you can't control when. You have to wait it out, and it's not quick.

The problem is, it's not humane either. Some pretentious bastard always has to point that out

[tf_arl_90]

also, another argument against captial punushment is religious. many religions say that God is the only one who has the right to take life. he gave the soul he takes the soul. they also beleive that Jesus said 'forgive someone 77 times' everyones entitled to a second chance to reform. and trust me it can be done. (soz a got a bit carried away with my R.E knowlegde lol)

I live in the US, where capital punishment has been abolished by some states but still exists in others. While I agree capital punishment should be abolished completely, religion should play no part in the justice system. Then again, neither should revenge, which is exactly what capital punishment is.

"What if people were killed and it was a miscarriage of justice?". Yeah, it's happened on the odd occasion, but with today's technology, they wouldn't be getting it wrong time and time again.

"Odd occasion"? Actually, it happens a lot more than you think. I don't have the exact statistics, but it certainly has happened and continues to happen even with advanced technology. Even so, I personally do not see how you can possibly justify the execution of an innocent person. Murder is wrong, unless the person has killed someone else, right? Hm. And if they haven't killed someone else and the justice system screws them over, their execution is okay? I don't see how that makes sense.

Keep in mind that once a person is executed, the majority of the time the case is not investigated further. What does this mean? Well if the person happened to be innocent, and the case is forgotten about, I guess he's never going to be proven innocent. I guess for this reason we will underestimate the number of innocent people executed. And I guess the true criminal will be free to walk the streets, posing a real risk to society.

The system is fucked and it needs to be abolished.

So in my eyes, bring it back. It's the only way this country will really restore law and order.

So you believe capital punishment is a deterrent then? You believe capital punishment prevents future crimes from happening?

[tf_arl_90]

Ah well, at least we eliminate them from the world. More space in our prisons.

More space in prisons? Yeah, overcrowding is a problem. But capital punishment doesn't really help make room since only a small percentage of capital cases actually end in execution and the defendent ends up sitting in prison anyway.

Capital cases are ridiculously long and ridiculously expensive. Much more so than other murder trials. And all the money spent on these cases could be used to build *more* prisons. It could be used to strengthen police forces. It could be used towards education on gang violence, drug abuse, etc. You know, stuff that actually reduces crime?

A decrease in crime rates would be nice.